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The Avon Lady 08-15-07 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
They have been taught, told, and warned not to screw with the guns unless I am in attendance, but I've heard sometimes children don't always do what they are told.

What would I do without the practical advice I come across on game forums! :roll:

August 08-16-07 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by August
If they'd have kept the 8 year old strapped inside a straight jacket until he was 18 the accident wouldn't have happened either.

There were two big parental failures here. First, the child was not educated to differentiate between a toy and a real firearm and second, the child was left unsupervised in the presence of a firearm for a considerable length of time.

Yeah, right, and back to the real world? Trigger locks serve a purpose.

Edit: Not against home defence but am for common sense.

Real world? Expecting an adult to supervise children when there are unsecured firearms and ammo laying about? I have nothing against trigger locks and other child proofing methods but nothing substitutes for proper adult supervision.

Personally if I had kids in the house and I deemed it necessary to have real quick access to a self defense weapon I would go with one of those rapid access combination gun safes like this one: http://www.gunvault.com/

JALU3 08-16-07 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaves
Very strict gun laws over here.

Mainly only criminals carry them now. Our police force still use revolvers while the crook is likely to have a nice 9mm pistol.

My biggest question is how do gun laws stop criminals from aquiring and/or possessing firearms? For is that not the biggest reason for gun laws to exist?

donut 08-16-07 12:31 AM

NRA advocate
 
You all have heard this quote before,["out law guns then only out laws will have guns"] and this makes nonsense??? I sure don't think so.http://www.tsra.com/img/tsralogo.jpgpardon the spam,Cowboys

Stealth Hunter 08-16-07 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
Don't blame you one bit. Where did the other shot hit?

Other one hit him in the left arm, just above the elbow. I was aiming for his heart, but age wears on you, it seems.:rotfl:

Happy Times 08-16-07 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
Don't blame you one bit. Where did the other shot hit?

Other one hit him in the left arm, just above the elbow. I was aiming for his heart, but age wears on you, it seems.:rotfl:

So you were trying to kill him? Before you said you killed him by accident. ;)

Yahoshua 08-16-07 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by August
If they'd have kept the 8 year old strapped inside a straight jacket until he was 18 the accident wouldn't have happened either.

There were two big parental failures here. First, the child was not educated to differentiate between a toy and a real firearm and second, the child was left unsupervised in the presence of a firearm for a considerable length of time.

Yeah, right, and back to the real world? Trigger locks serve a purpose.

Edit: Not against home defence but am for common sense.

Real world? Expecting an adult to supervise children when there are unsecured firearms and ammo laying about? I have nothing against trigger locks and other child proofing methods but nothing substitutes for proper adult supervision.

Personally if I had kids in the house and I deemed it necessary to have real quick access to a self defense weapon I would go with one of those rapid access combination gun safes like this one: http://www.gunvault.com/


If you're going to bother getting a safe, DON'T get something that is easily transportable!!

Get one of these:

http://www.libertysafe.com/safe_Franklin.lasso

As for keeping your PDW in the safe until you need it, you may as well not have it because that's about as much good as it's going to be to you.

In Law Enforcement there is a procedure called the "21 Foot Rule". The proper application of this rule relies on the officer being called to make a quickdraw from a snapped holster and make two unsighted shots to center mass of the attacker and getting out of the way before the attacker reaches you.

Here's an excerpt from the Force Science Research Center study:

The 21-Foot Rule was formulated by timing subjects beginning their headlong run from a dead stop on a flat surface offering good traction and officers standing stationary on the same plane, sidearm holstered and snapped in. The FSRC has extensively measured action and reaction times under these same conditions. Among other things, the Center has documented the time it takes officers to make 20 different actions that are common in deadly force encounters. Here are some of the relevant findings that the FSRC applied in reevaluating the 21-Foot Rule:

Once he perceives a signal to do so, the AVERAGE officer requires 1.5 seconds to draw from a snapped Level II holster and fire one unsighted round at center mass. Add 1/4 of a second for firing a second round, and another 1/10 of a second for obtaining a flash sight picture for the average officer.

The fastest officer tested required 1.31 seconds to draw from a Level II holster and get off his first unsighted round.The slowest officer tested required 2.25 seconds.

For the average officer to draw and fire an unsighted round from a snapped Level III holster, which is becoming increasingly popular in LE because of its extra security features, takes 1.7 seconds.

Meanwhile, the AVERAGE suspect with an edged weapon raised in the traditional "ice-pick" position can go from a dead stop to level, unobstructed surface offering good traction in 1.5-1.7 seconds.

The "fastest, most skillful, most powerful" subject FSRC tested "easily" covered that distance in 1.27 seconds. Intense rage, high agitation and/or the influence of stimulants may even shorten that time, Lewinski observes.

Even the slowest subject "lumbered" through this distance in just 2.5 seconds.

Bottom line: Within a 21-foot perimeter, most officers dealing with most edged-weapon suspects are at a decided - perhaps fatal - disadvantage if the suspect launches a sudden charge intent on harming them. "Certainly it is not safe to have your gun in your holster at this distance,"


I will be very impressed if you're fast enough to open a safe, load the magazine, rack the slide, and discharge two rounds into your attacker in under a second and a half.

The best solution for you, if you have a PDW, is to have the sidearm on you at ALL times. All other guns stay in the safe.

Letum 08-16-07 06:30 PM

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jbist...dlines/028.jpg

08-16-07 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum


Should have found the parents of the harasser before he was born. Murder is legal at that point.

Letum 08-16-07 06:38 PM

Much better to just send them to prison.....
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jbist...dlines/010.jpg

If you must defend your home, use a axe:
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jbist...dlines/018.jpg

(ok, I will stop posting these now :P )

Onkel Neal 08-16-07 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
I will be very impressed if you're fast enough to open a safe, load the magazine, rack the slide, and discharge two rounds into your attacker in under a second and a half.

The best solution for you, if you have a PDW, is to have the sidearm on you at ALL times. All other guns stay in the safe.

Well, if I thought that level of home defence was necessary, I would install steel doors and burglar bars on the house :)

Onkel Neal 08-16-07 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
Don't blame you one bit. Where did the other shot hit?

Other one hit him in the left arm, just above the elbow. I was aiming for his heart, but age wears on you, it seems.:rotfl:

So you were trying to kill him? Before you said you killed him by accident. ;)

He accidently hit him in the neck, he was aiming for the chest :cool:

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter
Other one hit him in the left arm, just above the elbow. I was aiming for his heart, but age wears on you, it seems.

Hmm... that's quite a spread there.... More practice is needed.;)

Yahoshua 08-16-07 07:24 PM

Home invasions are becoming more violent, and unfortunately, more frequent.

Rural homes are starting to see an uprise of the trend because those domiciles are usually isolated, and for the most part, almost always have a firearm in the home.

Steel doors are nice (albeit a bit overrated), but burglar bars just attract more attention from criminals. Honeycomb windows are the way to go, that alone will turn away most criminals who are looking for a quick fix. The more determined ones....well, lets' hope it doesn't come to that.

AVGWarhawk 08-16-07 07:46 PM

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Rural homes are starting to see an uprise of the trend because those domiciles are usually isolated, and for the most part, almost always have a firearm in the home.
We have to go once again a bit deeper. Rural areas are getting to be just as drug infested as the cities. Blackburg VA, Westminster MD are two known areas to have a bad crack problem. Heck, a cocaine drug ring made up of Amish in Lancaster PA was rounded up a few years ago. With that out there, isolated homes in the rural areas are perfect for the crack addict that lives in the neighborhood. Break in and steal so you can get a few bucks at the pawn shop. A few bucks can keep a crack addict high for a few days. Cheap stuff to buy. At any rate, drugs are a hard driver and will make a person do anything to get them. Certainly breaking and entering is top of the list to find goods to sell for drugs.

bradclark1 08-16-07 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
The best solution for you, if you have a PDW, is to have the sidearm on you at ALL times. All other guns stay in the safe.

If you live in a neighborhood where you feel you have to walk around your house armed at all times I would suggest you move. I would anyway.

SUBMAN1 08-16-07 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
The best solution for you, if you have a PDW, is to have the sidearm on you at ALL times. All other guns stay in the safe.

If you live in a neighborhood where you feel you have to walk around your house armed at all times I would suggest you move. I would anyway.

Agreed! Of course I say this on the rare night a loaded .45 w/ 9 rounds of Federal HydraShock 230 gr. sits next to me. Just polished it a bit. Kimber Stainless Pro Carry. Expensive, but nice gun. Better than the Pro Carry II and I don't plan to sell it so don't ask me! :p

-S

SUBMAN1 08-16-07 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Haven't you figured out yet that this is a numbers game? It's a percentage of the population. What scares me is that this number of whackos keeps growing as population increases. Population increase is still a topic in America where population decrease is common in Europe. So I have to deal with more whackos than you, so I think I need to go buy another backup gun.

-S

Yahoshua 08-17-07 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
The best solution for you, if you have a PDW, is to have the sidearm on you at ALL times. All other guns stay in the safe.

If you live in a neighborhood where you feel you have to walk around your house armed at all times I would suggest you move. I would anyway.

I'd still carry my PDW on me anyway, but I can't wait to get out of where I am now. 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks, 4 more weeks.

lorcan3 08-17-07 01:01 AM

Defence of the home
 
A little advice to Warhawk-Keep the body in the house! If you do not or the bastard wakes up and crawls out the front door, he'll sue you for attempted murder. W e know he's a frickin' thief but if he's not in the house, you'll be strapped for attempted murder and if uou kill him and leave his body outside, that's 1st degree murder with either the death penalty or life without parole. So leave him in the house and put his bod in the bathtub if he's bleedin' all over your nice new carpet that you just had installed yesterday and THEN call the cops!:arrgh!: Let's keelhaul the scurvy dog! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGG!

lorcan3 08-17-07 01:10 AM

.45 Super Killer Ammo
 
why don't you guys just load 'em up with .45 cal. hollow points? Go in leeetle and remove his/her chest? Then tell them "Sorry, we don't take organ donations here."
Good way to get rid of the PCP addict population and send the bodies to med hospitals to train our up and coming doctors. They need some corpses to dissect. When they're done, thy just cremate the bodies.:arrgh!: AAARRRGGGG HANG 'EM UP FROM THE YARDARM AAARRRRGGGGG!


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