Mate, you should really stop here. You are making an butt out of yourself. It only takes 5 secs to take a look to the manual and see that there are credits for people who's models/graphics/sounds/mods have been included partly or completely in GWX.

I have never seen any of the dev team saying that everything in GWX is made from the scratch by the GWX team.

Because one ship is just one ship

GWX as a mod is a COMBINATION of that one ship plus HUNDREDS of other parts from the GWX team and others
A lot of them you will never see or know are there

And why script something because someone else has ?
Because scripting isnt easy and ppl want to keep their scripts to themselves

I would happily have used the Weserubung from WAC as it was already done but Hans didnt want that so I scripted my own
I could have just used it but he said no so wasnt used

Simple really

If someone released a ship we wanted to use and they said no then it wouldnt be used and may possibly be made by someone on the team

Working for GWX is free and very time consuming
If you can include a ship\unit someone else has built then its a great timesaver for us and for them the ship gets used as intended
Everyone is a winner

Totally different to cherrypicking someone elses months of long hours\frustration and hard work just because you are too lazy to do it yourself

I could add every city you have added in GWX and make your mod redundant
Whats the point
The dev team arent interested and neither is the bulk of GWX users

Anyway this thread is about ethics not you or GWX

From now on the GWX credits will probably contain the line Ducimus proposed about no usage by anyone unless permission asked
Has been asked before and granted

Simple

No permission no use
Thats the rules I adhere too

Well, that's your opinion! But maybe, just maybe, some read it and think some of you are just as much a joke as me! :yep:

Besides, who behaves how against who?
Would you all write like you do, if it wasn't me? :hmm:
No, and that just shows this is some sort of personal vendetta against me and anybody else who thinks otherwise than you!

And there you go, why I write how I do! This whole discussion started in two ubi threads, where a mod there asked the discussion to take place elsewhere. Continuous attacks there against me and a theft-accusation here can't stay unanswered, and you know that! If several people continuously attacked you, you would defend yourself too, don't fool yourself! :nope:

Was made by a member of the forum
Not by a member of GWX

Nope, I would call them a ********** a**h**** and get myself keelhauled. :rotfl:

Ah more potato peeling

:rotfl:

I like the way it get's personal when arguments fail to jump to mind - very clever


Again the indications are that if GWX wants - it gets -- by any means necessary
And crediting is due from others... I have been asked in an e-mail not to comment anymore because this thread borders on getting out of hand and way off topic, but just for a laugh I read the credits of your 'handbook' - incomplete would cover it nicely I'd say - but by your own new standards that you have set today that should be rectified with an update in the very near future no doubt


Since the whole tone of the discussion is getting towards personal abuse, the set discussion about the two points that were suggested are sidetracked in favour of the latter, and the opinion of those that weren't here from day one (see, I was only born the day I logged in here, no previous live, no experience in any field besides being a dumb noob (as I was called in another mail, nice touch)) I'd be calling it a day before the threats (and spelling mistakes in them) burst my sides

And what part of the GWX manual credits are incomplete ?

You wouldnt know as you dont know whats in GWX

We could easily resrt to personal attacks but too low

Facts do the talking so no need for them IMHO

And you know that how?

the first quote shows how much you stick to facts (maybe the ones in your own mind, who knows) -

'nough said

:o

You needed someone to e-mail and tell you that?

@Dowly and BBW

Your wasting your time guys.......a leech is always a.....leech :yep:

But herrrr kaleeeeuuunn!! I still have loads of torps and provisions left!! :rotfl:

my five cents to carotio and this issue.....

have been said at the beginning of this whole issue and in the german ubi forum....

unaceptable!

I agree to Kpt Lehman´s recommendations!! :rock:

Cool, now we are a political party... says the guy who just fell off of the banana boat.

Off with their heads.

Very well, while I am polishing my hobnailed jack-boots and practicing my "I've Elected Myself as Emperor of SH3" speech... (In that 'stentorian' voice that Sailor Steve said I have.)

... maybe this thread can come back to its basic purpose... to determine a reasonable set of "rules" and then decide on community-based consequences for breaking the same.

Otherwise, the free-for-all furball will happen again and again ad nauseum.

Precisely. I have the same experience with NorOps. It costs so little to ask, and every time I've asked someone for permission I've gotten a yes.

Everything you make is automatically copyrighted. No need to register anything anywhere.

As for Das Boot content in GWX, I believe Fair Use laws covers the taking of a few minutes of audio out of a six hours long movie.

In short, this is a black-and-white approach, as every user has different reasons to give or not give.

For example, if you make a Norwegian Coastal Defense warship, it's in your interest to share it with someone modifying campaign layers in order for your ship to see in-game action.

On the other hand, when I was asked if I wanted to contribute my NorOps addition of cities, towns, etc. to this guy who has been working on filling the whole SH III world with cities, towns, etc... I said no. Reason being that I want NorOps to be as unique as possible, and that it feels better to me to have all my NorOps work in one place, namely in one big mod.

To you it may be a joke, as you apparently couldn't care less about respecting other designers' work. For the rest of us, however, it is a very important thread and should result in a sticky with community-wide guidelines for what is and isn't fair game when it comes to using others' projects.

I like the Kaptain's suggestion about works 'entering the public domain' after a period of inactivity, although I think 90 days is much too short.

Agreed, the time frame is certainly negotiable.

Ahh, i think im starting to see now. Havent read the entire thread, as most of it is the usual flame war ping pong, but Something happened. I dont know what it is but i suspect it has to do with some Sh3 to Sh4 ship mod conversion. Didnt really look at it or into it, only noticed it in passing.


So.. something happend there, that got KL all fired up. So now, much like the "church of silent hunter 4", there seems to be this holy crusade taking place as a backlash.

Im not going to play along. Theres only one real major ethic that ive abide by, and theres only one major ethic that i will continue to abide by.

NO PLAGURISM.

The rest of it is a whole lot of "pork". Now, i know KL is used to getting his way and bending people to his will, but im saying right out now, whatever comes out of this thread, i dont care. Im not changing myself just to accomidate one or two peoples agenda. Sorry, dont mean to be an ass, but when i feel others are trying to impose their will upon me, im as stubborn as a mule, with the temper of a badger.

It was the news that Cartorio was going to combine GWX and WAC and call it his own suppermod.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :o my supporters:lol: :D :rotfl: :rotfl:

This is to sad....

I finally found my sleepers!:rotfl:

Is this guy for real?