@Beery.

issue 23)

I can certainly see your point BUT if this is a feature then there is still the problem that certain ships simply cannot fire issue 73) and for example..


I surfaced near the middle of a task force near to the Yamoto after sending the last six of my torps at her and two other battleships. There were at least two other battleships, 2 carriers, destroyers and merchants, I guess there must have been over 15 ships altogether. I followed them and shot (deck gun) at the Yamoto without any return fire at all. Only one ship, a carrier, had a quick go. I noted that the guns on many ships turned from time to time but nothing other than that. The enitire task force jinked giving me the impression that the AI knew I was there. I used all of my deck gun ammo on various ships sinking a couple but not the Yamoto. After the ammo ran out I just wandered around the group and eventually sailed off all on the surface.

(I posted the above some time ago here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=112904)

In essense.. Yes I accept that the ability to surface in the middle of a convoy or a task force shouldn't automatically mean that you are destoyed immediately.However it looks to me like if this is a feature it is currently broken.

In addition Kakemann, who has provided a destroyer AI mod, suggests that although he can provide a workaround it is limited and the real issue is hardcoded.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=113232

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=517755#post517755

EDIT: I should point out that the task force issue was mid day in moderate but not dead calm seas.

Dragon

[/quote] I couldn't agree more. IMO the chance of UBI allowing the devs to fix 80+ issues is near zero. We should act like any patch post 1.2 will be the last.

Based on the assumption that the list is to large and almost certainly won't be fixed in one patch we need to get the list ordered and IMO the TOP PRIORITIES ARE ISSUES WHICH CANNOT BE MODDED OR WORKED AROUND. For example:

1. Issue 8) the chronometer cannot be fixed at all by modders I would put it in a "top ten".

2. Issue 23) can be improved by mods but not fixed So I would put AI in the top ten.

3. Issue 36) hardcoded? I don't know of any workaround for the problem.

4. Issue 73) hardcoded or can this be modded?

In conclusion we need as much feedback from users and modders as possible and gradually work the list into a set of priorities. I would also remove the sticky on patch 1.2 discussion since that thread is pretty much dead and confuses the issue. Dragon[/quote]

Absolutly! And thanks Dragon for taking this on. Your right, that list of 80! problems is absolutly overwhelming and though letigitimate and complete, is too much to realistically expect to get fixed in a final patch (ya, I know, who says theres only going to be one more patch? I still think were better off treating 1.3 as the last and final patch, anymore after that as bonuses!).

A 'Priority List' is mandatory in my opinion and relieves the Devs the task of figuring out which of the 80 problems we 'most' want fixed before support ends. Again, as you pointed out, if it cannot be modded or worked around it has to be on the Priority List.

Fine, and once they have decided what percentage of those glaring errors will be fixed will they also be deciding what percentage of their wages they will return to Ubisoft? who would no doubt then decide which percentage of the money we paid for the product will be returned to us?

I see no reason why we should be prepared to accept a product that is only 50% fixed, it comes down to integrity - they shoved it out the door early to get the cash (a dubious ethical position at best), now they need to spend some of that cash to fix it.

Why would I even consider SH V if SH IV is left by Ubi as a dud?

I find two glaring issue with this game:

1. TDC needs to be dead on.
2. Radar losing contacts when heading in certain directions.

These are the tools of the trade.

No one is preparing to take a product that is 50% fixed. IMHO the game is 90% to complete. What list in question that you responded to concerns the most important fixes we would like to see on the next patch.

Opinions don't matter
 

50% vs 90%. Opinions don't matter. Facts and reality are what count. I have read most of the posts since this game came out. The company did something very unethical and I can't beleive there are so manyh forum members defending them. If this game was beta tested and they still released it then they knowingly commited fraud. The repair list is as long as my arm. If you bought a radio that advertised as being AM/FM capable, and it only had AM capabilities and the company deliberately lied to you would you thank them? Would you be grateful that they at least made a radio available to you? I wouldn't have that attitude. I'd feel that they deliberatley cheated me. I know I don't have posts on this forum so that makes me subhuman but I've been around for years. I love submarine sims and most war games. That is why I take this personally. I usually post at MATRIXGAMES.COM, same moniker. UBI should be taken to task for their cavalier and dishonest attitude they have exhibited with their dubious business practices.
Thanks

Please god no not again... :shifty:

No ****ing ****, here we go again :roll:

This is like one to many....:rotfl:

In other BREAKING and NEW news, water is still wet and the sky is still blue.

Go ahead and start your lawsuit or whatever. I will find it entertaining to see you laughed out of every lawyer's office and court in the land. :lol:

Maybe we will be the one laughed at when he gets his part on CNN...:hmm:

"If this game was beta tested and they still released it"

There is no where you can go to have a cival discussion without the moaners.
Sell the game on ebay, cut your losses and stop playing it. ANYTHING. I don't want to hear any more.

If the radio company fixed the FM dial then I wouldn't be so upset.

I'm glad I don't visit MATRIX and have to suffer this twice.
-Pv-

Where do I sign?:arrgh!:

This thread is now offically roadkill.

The original point of the post has been thoroughly discussed and debated. This is now degenerating into the kind of nonsense that we see in other forums. Closing thread.