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Ark 02-26-07 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris
Yeah, I hear the DE has an exclusive AA feature ;)

Well, we at least know that FSAA is not in any in-game menus. Of course, it wasn't in SH3 either, so we'll have to wait an see.

The one thing that does bother me is that almost all of the preview shots I have seen so far from other sites/magazines/etc.. lack FSAA. It's not like it's a random thing where a few sites show pics with it on, others with it off. It's almost as if the screenshots are devoid of FSAA entirely. You'd think with all these "Previews", Ubisoft would want to show how "great" the game can look....not how jaggy.

Besides this, wtf...why can't/won't Ubisoft just answer this question already. The fact that it isn't being answered is my biggest worry. Heck, I'd settle for a Beta tester telling me over pm for crying out loud. 80 views and 1,400+ views..........Is it an important enough question yet?

Btw, today is my birthday. Where's the love Ubisoft?

flintlock 02-26-07 11:58 PM

The numersous SH4 screenshoots floating around that definitely seem to have AA should alleviate your stress over this. Now you can get a good night's sleep. ;)

Oh, and by the way; Happy B-day!

Ark 02-27-07 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by flintlock
The numersous SH4 screenshoots floating around that definitely seem to have AA should alleviate your stress over this. Now you can get a good night's sleep. ;)

Oh, and by the way; Happy B-day!

Thanks, Flint! :D

trenken 02-28-07 01:02 PM

Anti-aliasing/Major resolution problem (merged)
 
Have I read correctly that SH4 doesn't support this? If that's the case, what a bummer. This is something that every game has these days. This would be a major regression in my eyes.

Barkhorn1x 02-28-07 01:22 PM

Already a 5 page thread on the topic entitled;

Does FSAA work in SHIV??

Here's a synopsis:
- Many shots w/o it
- A few that look like they w/ it
- No official dev. announcement either way
- No beta testers saying due to NDA
- Have to wait and see

Barkhorn.

Sulikate 02-28-07 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x
Already a 5 page thread on the topic entitled;

Does FSAA work in SHIV??

Here's a synopsis:
- Many shots w/o it
- A few that look like they w/ it
- No official dev. announcement either way
- No beta testers saying due to NDA
- Have to wait and see

Barkhorn.

I agree.

trenken 02-28-07 04:48 PM

Well I would hope it's in there. I don't even think I can name 1 PC game that doesn't support it. I would guess and say it's been at least 5 years since a game was made that didn't. AA is standard issue these days. I can't possibly believe it's not in the game.

What I personally think is going on is this game is such a massive resource hog with the new water and everything else that unless you have a $3,000 machine, you aren't running this with any level of AA without bringing your machine to it's knee's. I'll bet even without AA this game isn't running smoothly on machines that are even 2 years old. But that I can accept. I can't accept that it's not in here at all considering I just spent over $2,500 to upgrade my machine to handle anything this game can ever throw at it and more.

Respenus 02-28-07 05:28 PM

Come on, even SH3 has AA and everything that goes with it. My GW game looked like something from a real WWII photo. I can't imagine SH4 without it. How is Stabiz then gonna do screenies and videos without it?

Ark 02-28-07 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x
Already a 5 page thread on the topic entitled;

Does FSAA work in SHIV??

Here's a synopsis:
- Many shots w/o it
- A few that look like they w/ it
- No official dev. announcement either way
- No beta testers saying due to NDA
- Have to wait and see

Barkhorn.

Actually, if you scan other threads, there is a little more information. But it takes digging. :(

Ark 02-28-07 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken
Well I would hope it's in there. I don't even think I can name 1 PC game that doesn't support it. I would guess and say it's been at least 5 years since a game was made that didn't. AA is standard issue these days. I can't possibly believe it's not in the game.

What I personally think is going on is this game is such a massive resource hog with the new water and everything else that unless you have a $3,000 machine, you aren't running this with any level of AA without bringing your machine to it's knee's. I'll bet even without AA this game isn't running smoothly on machines that are even 2 years old. But that I can accept. I can't accept that it's not in here at all considering I just spent over $2,500 to upgrade my machine to handle anything this game can ever throw at it and more.


Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and Rainbow 6: Vegas, both do not support FSAA. Both are also Ubi titles. lol

trenken 02-28-07 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ark
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Originally Posted by trenken
Well I would hope it's in there. I don't even think I can name 1 PC game that doesn't support it. I would guess and say it's been at least 5 years since a game was made that didn't. AA is standard issue these days. I can't possibly believe it's not in the game.

What I personally think is going on is this game is such a massive resource hog with the new water and everything else that unless you have a $3,000 machine, you aren't running this with any level of AA without bringing your machine to it's knee's. I'll bet even without AA this game isn't running smoothly on machines that are even 2 years old. But that I can accept. I can't accept that it's not in here at all considering I just spent over $2,500 to upgrade my machine to handle anything this game can ever throw at it and more.


Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and Rainbow 6: Vegas, both do not support FSAA. Both are also Ubi titles. lol

That's horrible. I'm glad I bought both of those games for the 360 instead of the PC. I didn't know that.

stabiz 02-28-07 08:18 PM

No FSAA in SHIV, according to our french friends, but it can be forced in the driver panel.

Respenus: :rotfl:I`ll get by. Actually no AA is great for videomaking, since the fps-loss is less, and one cant really see that it is not on due to compression. But for screenies its a must!

trenken 02-28-07 08:57 PM

Yeah this really stings. Could be worse though. Yes you can force AA through your vid card settings, but it's never nearly as good as native AA. It tends to just make things look blurry. Rather than being natural AA, it softens the pixels around the edges and just make it look a little blurry.

Ark 02-28-07 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz
No FSAA in SHIV, according to our french friends, but it can be forced in the driver panel.

Respenus: :rotfl:I`ll get by. Actually no AA is great for videomaking, since the fps-loss is less, and one cant really see that it is not on due to compression. But for screenies its a must!

I think he said he "thinks" it can be forced in the control panel, but didn't remember.

If I can force it through the driver control panel then I am totally fine with that. SH3 didn't have native FSAA support either. In fact, most of the games I play I force FSAA through the driver control panel even if it is available through an in-game menu....not sure why. lol

Ark 02-28-07 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken
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Originally Posted by Ark
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Originally Posted by trenken
Well I would hope it's in there. I don't even think I can name 1 PC game that doesn't support it. I would guess and say it's been at least 5 years since a game was made that didn't. AA is standard issue these days. I can't possibly believe it's not in the game.

What I personally think is going on is this game is such a massive resource hog with the new water and everything else that unless you have a $3,000 machine, you aren't running this with any level of AA without bringing your machine to it's knee's. I'll bet even without AA this game isn't running smoothly on machines that are even 2 years old. But that I can accept. I can't accept that it's not in here at all considering I just spent over $2,500 to upgrade my machine to handle anything this game can ever throw at it and more.


Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and Rainbow 6: Vegas, both do not support FSAA. Both are also Ubi titles. lol

That's horrible. I'm glad I bought both of those games for the 360 instead of the PC. I didn't know that.

You made a wise decision, bro.

Some people seem to really like Vegas on the PC, while others seem to really like Vegas on the 360. I am in the 360 crowd on that one. The 360 version just looks flat out better and runs a LOT smoother.

I remember when I bought Vegas for the PC after buying the 360 version (I liked the 360 version so much I wanted to get the PC version as well). I remember saying "WTF IS THIS?!" when I started playing it on the PC. Mind you, I think the gameplay is the exact same, but the graphics and performance are quite a bit below that of the 360.

Ahh well. Live and learn. :)

trenken 02-28-07 09:08 PM

PC games are still not up to the level of the 360. You can build a very expensive PC for 3-5k that could handle 360 graphics, but until games are developed for DX10 on the PC, they can't compete with the 360.

I'm sure to run SH4 with everything cranked we're going to need to make some healthy upgrades. The 360 can handle that without breaking a sweat.

I mentioned earlier I think this is a big reason why AA was not included. I dont think computers even 1-2 years old can handle all the graphical upgrades they made AND AA. It's too much.

Ark 02-28-07 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken
PC games are still not up to the level of the 360. You can build a very expensive PC for 3-5k that could handle 360 graphics, but until games are developed for DX10 on the PC, they can't compete with the 360.

I'm sure to run SH4 with everything cranked we're going to need to make some healthy upgrades. The 360 can handle that without breaking a sweat.

I mentioned earlier I think this is a big reason why AA was not included. I dont think computers even 1-2 years old can handle all the graphical upgrades they made AND AA. It's too much.

I talked to a few developer buddies, and they all said the same thing. "It's the HDR they are using that is making FSAA a pain."

I just hope I can turn off that silly looking HDR (personal taste). I'd fall over backwards if they decided they didn't want to include an FSAA option in favor of this "glowing" graphics effect. lol


*EDIT* I'm ranting again. lol

stabiz 02-28-07 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken
PC games are still not up to the level of the 360. You can build a very expensive PC for 3-5k that could handle 360 graphics, but until games are developed for DX10 on the PC, they can't compete with the 360.

I'm sure to run SH4 with everything cranked we're going to need to make some healthy upgrades. The 360 can handle that without breaking a sweat.

I mentioned earlier I think this is a big reason why AA was not included. I dont think computers even 1-2 years old can handle all the graphical upgrades they made AND AA. It's too much.

Top end pc`s have just as nice graphics as the 360, but they are expensive. The problem with the 360 and all other consoles is that the games for them generally are very bad. Vegas is a terrible game IMO, and that they used the Rainbow 6 name on it is an insult.

I tried the Project Gotham thingy for instance, and the Nordschleife looked so insanely good. The car on the other hand, behaved like a Mario Cart. So its fun for two minutes.

Boris 02-28-07 10:22 PM

Yay, hurray for console bashing :up:

nattydread 02-28-07 11:16 PM

I 2nd that! Consoles are the Anti-Christ of gaming!


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