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02-11-07 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by flintlock
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Originally Posted by immortal44
Do we know if SH4 supports dual core

I haven't read any official information on whether or not SH4 shall support multithreading. My guess is not, simply because it's essentially the same engine as SH3, and if it now supported multithreading, Ubi's marketing deptartment would likely have advertised this tidbit.

Ok..lets take the worse case scenario and assume there will be no multithreading.

What does that mean for us with Duo Core Processors like a C2D 1.86?

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 07:29 PM

set affinity for the game for both cores and/or overclock ive heard that 90% of the c2d 1.86 ghz can overclock to 2.8-3.0ghz !!!! but u have to have a gogod motherboard and good ram.

GakunGak 02-11-07 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
set affinity for the game for both cores and/or overclock ive heard that 90% of the c2d 1.86 ghz can overclock to 2.8-3.0ghz !!!! but u have to have a gogod motherboard and good ram.

I would not recommend messing with overclocking, instead wait for a patch that will fix this issue, if present!

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 07:41 PM

me being a hardware pro my advice is to be listened to :up:
pentium 4 used something called net burst architecture, where the cpu used long but small amount of pipelines, like for ex 1 long gas pipe thats very very wide in diameter, and used speed in hertz to counter the effects of only one pipeline, basically like a high pressure fat water pipe, now amd's 64 socket 939 whcih came out had much shorter pipelines but more of em and they didnt have to be such a fast speed thats when u see amd 64 athlons at 2-2.2 ghz beating pentium 4 extreme editions at 3.6ghz and faster. amd's 64 had much more pipelines which where lower speed and slimmer, thus they were cooler then the p4 prescott(notorious for high heat) and it didnt have to use much voltage to run. now Intels core 2 duo is similar, BUT there pipelines are fatter, more of them, and higher clocked, heat is still a problem but since they are using different ingredients (more $$$) they are a litle bit cooler) the c2d now outperforms the 64, THIS year AMD will be releasing their "barcelona' quad core which has a specially designed new architecture and for the first time in quad cores L3 cache, which helps alot in server processing and a 60% boost in gaming (AI computing, physics etc...) reviews have said barcelona wil run at high speeds will drainining a whopping 110 watts this is very VERY low for a quad core while intels use around 150-200 watts on full load. so hold your horses for c2d because barcelona will be here mid 07 and amd always releases every 2 years something that beats intel, intel released the pentium 4 to beat the amd athlon xp s462 line then amd released amd 64, staying ahead of intel for a few years, now intel releases c2d and amd releases osmetihng even better mid 07, c2d was jus a bump on the road, pentium 4 was a big achievement and when intel does that big achievement again then u can go nuts on intel cuz then intel will rule for a few years until amd releases something even better.

hope i helps

cheers

02-11-07 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
me being a hardware pro my advice is to be listened to :up:
pentium 4 used something called net burst architecture, where the cpu used long but small amount of pipelines, like for ex 1 long gas pipe thats very very wide in diameter, and used speed in hertz to counter the effects of only one pipeline, basically like a high pressure fat water pipe, now amd's 64 socket 939 whcih came out had much shorter pipelines but more of em and they didnt have to be such a fast speed thats when u see amd 64 athlons at 2-2.2 ghz beating pentium 4 extreme editions at 3.6ghz and faster. amd's 64 had much more pipelines which where lower speed and slimmer, thus they were cooler then the p4 prescott(notorious for high heat) and it didnt have to use much voltage to run. now Intels core 2 duo is similar, BUT there pipelines are fatter, more of them, and higher clocked, heat is still a problem but since they are using different ingredients (more $$$) they are a litle bit cooler) the c2d now outperforms the 64, THIS year AMD will be releasing their "barcelona' quad core which has a specially designed new architecture and for the first time in quad cores L3 cache, which helps alot in server processing and a 60% boost in gaming (AI computing, physics etc...) reviews have said barcelona wil run at high speeds will drainining a whopping 110 watts this is very VERY low for a quad core while intels use around 150-200 watts on full load. so hold your horses for c2d because barcelona will be here mid 07 and amd always releases every 2 years something that beats intel, intel released the pentium 4 to beat the amd athlon xp s462 line then amd released amd 64, staying ahead of intel for a few years, now intel releases c2d and amd releases osmetihng even better mid 07, c2d was jus a bump on the road, pentium 4 was a big achievement and when intel does that big achievement again then u can go nuts on intel cuz then intel will rule for a few years until amd releases something even better.

hope i helps

cheers

Thanks! .....but you lost me after "pentium4"....:oops:

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 08:35 PM

:damn::damn::damn:

IN SIMPLE TERMS HERE HOW CPUS GO im using water pipes (house pipes, pvc etc..) as an example

Pentium 4 : Long pipeline with faster water rate with only 1 pipe thats big in diameter (high flow rate)
AMD 64 Socket 939 and AM2 : 4 short pipelines with medium water rate and medium in diameter
Intel Core 2 Duo: 6 short pipelines with fast water rate and fat in diameter
AMD Quad core Barecelona (07): 16 short pipelines with uber fast rate and obese diameter

hope that helps if it doesnt then ill have to draw a pic and if i do i wont be a very happy member ;)

Amd baecelona uses L3 cache its a form of memory on the CPU chip directly inside the core, basically L3 = 8 pipes underground 8 pipes above ground effienctly almost doubling the processing power.

flintlock 02-11-07 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magua
What does that mean for us with Duo Core Processors like a C2D 1.86?

I think it means you'll be pleasantly surprised by the performance of this powerful little processor, even if SH4 is a single-threaded app thanks to, among other things, its intelligent architecture. The E6300 is a serious little contender.

GakunGak 02-11-07 08:40 PM

And what will it mean for us with P4 HT @3.0?:hmm:

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
And what will it mean for us with P4 HT @3.0?:hmm:

lol god help u and ur cpu. i suggest save up asap sell ur comp and rebuild, or stick with it till summer 07 then get quad core barcelona and run sh4 on dx 10 with a 8800 or better

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 08:46 PM

u will be able to run but u will see peformance issues , stuttering, artifacts (cpu heat), lag on time compression, i get no time compression lag on 4096 it runs so smooth i can alt tab out of game on 4096 time compression and start up a movie and watch while my uboat is travelling to US east coast:arrgh!:

edit* then again i do have a socket F AMD quad core setup (2 amd fx 1207 pin fx74 cpus at 2.8ghz (each r dual core so 2+2=4 cores)

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=5738 my motherboard

and 2 of these http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=5851

as u can see very expensive stuff $$ but it pays off in the end.

flintlock 02-11-07 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
And what will it mean for us with P4 HT @3.0?:hmm:

If the system specs listed on subsim are correct, your processor is above the minimum and lands right at the recommended specs threshold. That's a good thing, however, my experience has been to try and maintain a comfortable distance above the recommended specs if I desire the best possible gaming experience. While no longerr cutting-edge technology processor wise, you still look to be in decent shape. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

elite_hunter_sh3 02-11-07 10:46 PM

what aboot quad core :arrgh!::arrgh!:?

flintlock 02-11-07 11:48 PM

Nevermind, I read your powerhouse system specs in the other thread. ;)

immortal44 02-12-07 12:56 AM

as u can see very expensive stuff $$ but it pays off in the end.

Not for sh4 it won't, not to mention you can massively overclock cheaper hardware to get similar performance. You just sound like some elitist who just has to have the best of everything. I noticed you basically laughed at someone else while bragging about your future rig.

TDK1044 02-12-07 08:26 AM

My system meets recommended specs in all areas for SH4. However, I ran SH3 on a system just above minimum specs and the only problem I encountered was with high levels of TC and a little stuttering if a very large convoy was encountered.

Don't buy into the nonsense about needing a super computer to play and enjoy SH4. If you have a decent mid range video card, a P4 3.0 processor and 1 GIG of RAM, the game will run perfectly well for you.

The largest demographic for this game is you and others like you with mid range systems, and not elite_hunter_sh3.

Ark 02-13-07 09:51 AM

My SHIV rig I'm building:

C2D E6600 (Watercooled)
Intel Bad Axe 2 Mobo (NB Watercooled)
Evga 8800GTX 768mb
2GB Crucial Ballistix (PC8000)
SB Fatality X-FI Sound Card
150GB WD Raptor


It's a sub game, so you gotta have watercooling. :arrgh!:

GakunGak 02-13-07 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark
My SHIV rig I'm building:

C2D E6600 (Watercooled)
Intel Bad Axe 2 Mobo (NB Watercooled)
Evga 8800GTX 768mb
2GB Crucial Ballistix (PC8000)
SB Fatality X-FI Sound Card
150GB WD Raptor


It's a sub game, so you gotta have watercooling. :arrgh!:

Will it have a nuclear reactor?:rock:

Ark 02-13-07 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ark
My SHIV rig I'm building:

C2D E6600 (Watercooled)
Intel Bad Axe 2 Mobo (NB Watercooled)
Evga 8800GTX 768mb
2GB Crucial Ballistix (PC8000)
SB Fatality X-FI Sound Card
150GB WD Raptor


It's a sub game, so you gotta have watercooling. :arrgh!:

Will it have a nuclear reactor?:rock:


Maybe.

Diesel would prob. cloud up my computer room. :hmm:

GakunGak 02-13-07 10:20 AM

Still you could use the batteries and switch to nuke when they're sucked dry...:smug:

NEON DEON 02-14-07 01:42 AM

My computer is 3.5 years old now and reaching the end of its useful life.

I suspect this will be the last year I will be able to run new 3d PC games.

System specs::cry: :cry:

AMD Athlon 2400+
1 gig ddr ram
Radeon 9600XT 256mb (uses very little power)
On board sound thru a via chipset (worked on every game I have purchased in the last 3 years)
Antec True Power 380w PS and enogh fans to turn my box into a hover craft when turned on it's side;)

Hopefully I will still have enough power to run SHIV as I have no problems with SHIII.


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