Ok Mog, which percent of increase is higher:

A statistical 1% increase nationwide over the span of 5 years, or a 20% increase in a state over 1 year?

And could you provide the link to Mark Duggans' paper?

If my parents would have tried that on me, someone would be dead by now. And it would not be me. Such things make People "go Postal", and this is begin validated by the news.

But no wonder, you said your 80. Accient Views. Accient.

Spare the rod, spoil the child, but do so only when necessary (like when a verbal lashing and consequent punishment isn't severe enough).

Besides, I'd rather have a child that's alive and obeys than a dead one who disobeyed. (No I'm not insinuating I'd kill my kids but that they would hurt themselves because they didn't listen. Kinda like how a baby has to learn that fire is HOT by touching it after you told them no.)

Which is worse?

And could you bring up any facts that support your accusation? Or does the Nanny-state think they can raise children better than I can?

Kids without parents in their lives have problems, not so much for the ones that do have parents.

The 20% figure is more significant - however neither increase means anything unless its cause is established.

The link in my previous post worked yesterday, although it's asking me to login today. I can't seem to find another link that doesn't require a subscription. The name of the paper is "More Guns, More Crime" in case you happen to have access to academic journals. If not, then we're stuck. :down:

I don't....:nope: But I'll look around to see if I can find it, lemme know if you find it somewhere else.

Dont ya just hate it when they ask you for a "free signup" that only costs $25 a yr?

And, sry, but the 1% and 20% was a trick question (pulled a fast one on ya).

If you consider the variables and demographics of each state, a 20% increase over 1 year is insignificant to a 1% increase over 5 years.

The exact numbers escape me, but I'll try to get this from memory.

A 20% increase equaling x amount of homicides over 1 year for a state (say 15 million) isn't even going to compare with a 1 % increase of homicides nationwide (say 300 million) over 5 years.

Numbers are deceiving on a large vs. small scale so in order to hash out the numbers correctly you would have to do it state by state and not by national demographics.

As an example, it'd be unfair to say that Kansas has an equal amount of crime as California when averaging out the homicide rates for the nation. More so when California has a far larger population than Kansas and accounts for the larger percentage of crime.

Mr. Lott goes over this issue in his book as well. reas it and see what you think of it (in the meantime I'll see if I can find Duggans' paper somewhere).

Looks like I found it:

http://www.econ.umd.edu/~duggan/gunshows3.pdf

And while looking for Lotts' papers online I found this in Wikipedia (read the part in concealed carry etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lo...the_crime_rate

I found Lotts' research that was posted online down at the bottom of the page.

Enjoy!!

Hey Avon, do you like math? (I don't).

I'm not sure I'm really capable of debating this witha ll the statistics though. Never was very good at math.

I was never Punished for anything or pysically attacked and i am still alive. So, were lies the Problem i ask? There is a third way.

I couldn't agree with you more. This guy was a wacko, plain and simple.:yep:

Stupid, not nuts.

That is the strangest comment I've read in the GT forum in a long time :o

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I took some pictures of the improvised memorial, I thought it would be good to share some.http://www.nettouring.com/mm/images/...emorial_01.jpg
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My folks used to "Whoop my butt". I haven't gone postal.

A 15 year old teen was arrested Monday morning for online threats against is school, he used the same website as Kimveer Gill did.
It seems like our provincial police (SQ) aren't taking any chances after the Dawson shooting, Good.:up:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...onthreats.html

you are the epitome of what is wrong with society today. wait scratch that, your parents are for their lack of backbone when raising a child. the mere fact that you even THOUGHT of death because of punishment is a proof that you did not turn out 'ok'.


now then, back on subject. those that believe guns are the root of all evil are just misguided, heavily but albeit misguided. we can scream numbers day in and day out, but the mere fact that so many firearms are owned in the US and the fact that everyone ISN'T dead is proof enough. humans have been killing eachother since the beginning of time, what weapon they use has little bearing. if they are intent on killing they will kill. a baseball bat is just as deadly as a handgun in the hands of a criminal intent on death. in fact one doesn't need to reload a baseball bat, doesn't need a concealed weapon to hide/carry it nor do they need a criminal record background check to buy one. the comparison can be made to almost ANY inanimate object. hell even a toilet seat could be used to kill!

death rates... so denmark doesn't have as many people killed per year. how many people live in denmark? sure as **** it's less then the US. how about we compare apples to apples please. :damn:

death rates... washington DC, new york city. both major cities with the strictest gun control. yet they still have the highest homicide rates. hrmmm.

yes guns are used in crimes, yes they are used to kill. but they are also used to prevent crimes and prevent death. 13 million women in 2004 used a firearm to stop a would be rapist/mugger.

some argue that guns in homes kill families. more media rhetoric and pointless liberal drivel. the truth of the matter when they state X amount of kids died last year from accidental shootings? their definition of kids is from the age of 1-18. some studies lump it from 1-21. hardly kids in my book. did you know that in the past 5 years more kids (ages 1-13) died from drowning in 5 gallon paint buckets then from firearms?