Originally Posted by suBB

ok

given:

Is slmm a metallic object: yes
If pinged, will slmm generate an active return: yes
Once fired slmm travels to waypoints, so does slmm also generate a passive signature: yes

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I'm going to look into this later but AFAIK, once a tropedo aquires and it assumes a ballistic trajectory.

I.E. sub A fires salvo from 2100 ft, while disabled the torpedo will run in straight running mode @ 2100ft until enabled.

Torps are now enabled and seeking, they finally aquire, then will go from sub A launch depth of 2100 ft to ceiling depth, lock on target and decend to intercept - this is the ballistic trajectory I’m talking about. So technically the torp crosses the same layer twice with this kind of trajectory.

sub B can locate and plot incoming threat, since threat is so close, sub B will have speed and passive classification if he wants it. Sub B can also know what layer threat is relative to ownship.

Again I’m going to check into the trajectory bit as I remember all this from SC and quite certain its the same for DW stock 1.03 and LWAMI..

BUT!!!!!

If torpedo assumes trajectory as I described and slmm is fired at same layer as threat, and slmm being a metallic object emitting a passive signature, then sub B changes layer, effectively maneuvering out of tracking cone... The only returns(active and passive) the torpedo will see is from slmm.. effectively by-passing sub B.

Sounds like this skipper knows what he is doing..

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Re-cap:

Is slmm a metallic object: yes
If pinged, will slmm generate an active return: yes
Once fired slmm travels to waypoints, so does slmm also generate a passive signature: yes

so based on threat trajectory, timing and maneuvering, can deploying a slmm divert an incoming(passive or active torpedo) in real life? I have to say yes.

You can call it cheap tactics, but tactics aren't valued at price, only effectiveness.

tactics IS tactics.. Ladies and gentleman...


@ swims:

Your home-work assignment is to confirm torpedo trajectory on 1.03 no mods from launch depth of 2100 ft - wireguide torpedo to 3nm from ownship, turn it around, enable at 1.5nm. once enabled, monitor torpedo change in depth.

Extra credit:

Meet up in gs for playtesting :)

See ya soon

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

But the SLMM did not divert the torpedo in that dive. If that was the case there would be no mystery about what happened.

Originally Posted by suBB

After firing of the slmm, what did the sub do course-wise?

Originally Posted by suBB

If this doesn't cut it I don't know what will:

http://subguru.com/BluebookR20.zip

Refer to page 38, section L - Blue Defense


I'd say someone was doing their homework - and someone else forgot to...


again.. tactics IS tactics....

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

and again, the mine did not act as a decoy in that game!:damn: :damn: :damn: :damn:

Originally Posted by worker321

the incoming torps did to lock onto the mine.they did not detonate on the mine.just becasue of the net laggs problem,before swim's torps enable,I have fire 4 missiles to him,only 2 to him there,another two are not normal,disappear.this is why his torps not detonate on my mines.
on the normal situation,if the net is normal, his torps should lock onto my mines, and can detonate on the mine.

Originally Posted by swimsalot

I never saw the torps lock onto the SLMM, perhaps I missed that in the replay?
I too don't see signs of lag, but maybe I am missing that?
I am very open to learning about this valuable new tactic, although it doesn't seem to be one I can reproduce.
I can't get the torps to just keep going by my sub in search mode, they either lock onto the SLMM or my sub.:down:
EDIT: Oh, and if all the SLMM does in this tactic is make a torp lock onto it and explode, according to the Bluebook, isn't that what an active cm does in stock 1.03?
Why would you launch a slmm to decoy a torp, but knowing that you have 5 torps in the water, all on your bearing, all within 1.5nm of you, why would your only tactical move be to:
(1) drive in a straight line at a set speed
(2) launch 1 slmm
(3) drive right in front of the slmm until torps miss you.
Is that what it says to do in the Bluebook? Someone wrote a document that gives this scenario as how to avoid torps?
Funny, I did my homework and read the whole section on Blue Defense, couldn't find anything like that in there. Could someone tell me what page that is?
So we are all agreed then that the above tactic (drive in straight line, maintain speed, launch 1 slmm) is a standard, published, commonly used tactic that works for everyone? And it should work for everyone, easily reproducible?
Hmm, I better read that book again...