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Happy Times 10-29-05 03:22 AM
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I think that this discussion is missing an important point: Not all the muslims are the same. You can't say that automatically all muslims do this or that just because the Iranian president said that nonesense, ....

Come on guys, one of the most terrible errors one can commit is to put a large group of people in the same bag and label them independently of their daily behaviour. :nope: The fact that the Iranian president is an as***ole doesn't mean that literally thousands of muslims who live among us here in Europe are potential terrorists.....

Be more reasonable. .
Here's my reason.

I'm sick and fed up quite frankly with this voice of reason that says what you say. Oh, not all muslims are the same, etc. Okey dokey, but they chose not to do anything about their radical 'collegues'. Well **** that. They are all the same than. Muslims, arabs (the ones that live 'over there in middle east') are probably the most racist nations there are. They used to be all about math and sciences thousands years ago, but now it's all about holy jihad against the Infidels.

And if they aren't waging jihad - they are quetly supporting it!!! Ok, on individual level people are different, unique and nice. But guess what - overall they give an impression of a nasty group of people who are anti christian, anti european, anti white, anti capitalist.. eh, of course, anti-jew. I'm sick of this political correctness bullsh*t when all we do is afraid to name the problem - muslim religion - and put the blame on people and countries that follow it - certain arab countries and arabs. It is a cultural clash. It is. Why do the arabs and muslims feel they are so important that they can come here to Europe for jobs that aren't there, dictate their laws, and get offended if they aren't allowed to pray in mosques. Go back to Arabia and do all you like, but if you go to European country - have some damn respect for the laws of that country, its religion, and its people. Afterall, they are that way in arab coutries. My friend worked there for Porsche dealership for a few months, and in general, it was like this "If you do this - you are screwed, If you look at woman - you are screwd, if you do that - you go to jail, and so on and on' (Dubai). So it beggs the question - why does a foreigner has to follow rules when coming to arabia, but they arabs when coming to Europe want to live in their own way anyway.

Sorry, pack the camels and get the hell out if you can't accept local laws. If someone doesn't take a stand against this 'cultural' clash, there will be an all muslim world, no israel, and my kids will be writing right to left. Racist, anti-semitic, disrespectful to women, and inciting violence - that's Muslim religion in 2005. And I don't care what Koran says in the first part, because apparently, noone's reading it! Why is fascism not ok, but these bastards mullahs in UK are ok? Ship them all out to where they've come from.

That's concerning the lack of any inability to shut up this towelhead from Iran. Oh let's be politically correct and 'issue a diplomatic nota'. Bleh. They are laughing their arses off right now at all this 'international outrage'. We are so much in the pre WW2 state where everyone was afraid to say anything to Hitler. The one that was bluffing like hell.

PS> I lived among arbas and muslims. And I interracted with many. So I'm not JUST using some 'common' stereotype before you brand me as racist. I'm not. I base my view on real life experienes.

Finally, wihtout ever getting into history, OMG what has the TINY Israel done to pee off so many arab nations that they want it gone!!! Ok, the US is big and got armies all over the world, sponsoring governtment revolutions, overthrowing dictators, interferering pretty much into every countries policies, but for the life of me, why the tiny Israel causes so much hatred! They haven't nuked anyone, haven't killed 1000000million people in death camps.... All the seemingly have done is (arguably) displaced a small tiny nation, and kicked some ass in the 60s. And they are sponsored by US. And they like to eat Kosher food. I've never heard a single logic reason behind why Israel is so bad. All I see is unshaven, dirty men, screaming out of their lungs and burning flags, but how can such small nation cause so much hatred is beyond my understanding. Surely something theat happened 2000 years ago isn't a reason for it.

So in conclusion - they are all idiots. They have tons of natural resources, yet they live in mud houses. That's gotta be our fault. :nope:
Didnt think this day would come..I agree with you 100% Type941 :yep: I also feel that one way to go would let the Israelis have their way and sit back :lol: And i would be willing to fight but our goverment is so soft that it wont happen.Maybe someone will have me as a volunteer if the conflict gets big.

Abraham 10-29-05 03:25 AM
New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !
 
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Originally Posted by Kissaki
Islam is NOT a missionary religion. The huge conquests into Africa and Europe were political, not religious...
Of course, because Muslims enjoyed more rights than others, people did convert - but no one was by any means forced.
Come on Kissaki, get serious with us.
Islam is a missionary religion, period. There are very few who would argue with that. And because there is no clear concept of state in Islam, something like a "Political Islam" exists. A missionary religion with a political agenda forms a dangerous mix.

Let's wait till the Shabbat is over and The Avon Lady bombards your position with a few smart links...
:D

Kissaki 10-29-05 03:41 AM
Re: New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !
 
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Originally Posted by Abraham
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Originally Posted by Kissaki
Islam is NOT a missionary religion. The huge conquests into Africa and Europe were political, not religious...
Of course, because Muslims enjoyed more rights than others, people did convert - but no one was by any means forced.
Come on Kissaki, get serious with us.
Islam is a missionary religion, period. There are very few who would argue with that. And because there is no clear concept of state in Islam, something like a "Political Islam" exists. A missionary religion with a political agenda forms a dangerous mix.

Let's wait till the Shabbat is over and The Avon Lady bombards your position with a few smart links...
:D
What is your basis for saying Islam is a missionary religion? You are the first person I've come across to even be adamant on that point, and most people I've talked to have had a contrary opinion. I've never even heard of Muslim missionaries, and it doesn't make sense when considering the fact that mosques and the centre of Mekka is off limits to non-Muslims. If they want people to convert to Islam, they're making it awfully difficult for them.

Abraham 10-29-05 03:58 AM
Re: New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !
 
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Originally Posted by Kissaki
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Originally Posted by Abraham
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Originally Posted by Kissaki
Islam is NOT a missionary religion. The huge conquests into Africa and Europe were political, not religious...
Of course, because Muslims enjoyed more rights than others, people did convert - but no one was by any means forced.
Come on Kissaki, get serious with us.
Islam is a missionary religion, period. There are very few who would argue with that. And because there is no clear concept of state in Islam, something like a "Political Islam" exists. A missionary religion with a political agenda forms a dangerous mix.

Let's wait till the Shabbat is over and The Avon Lady bombards your position with a few smart links...
:D
What is your basis for saying Islam is a missionary religion? You are the first person I've come across to even be adamant on that point, and most people I've talked to have had a contrary opinion. I've never even heard of Muslim missionaries, and it doesn't make sense when considering the fact that mosques and the centre of Mekka is off limits to non-Muslims. If they want people to convert to Islam, they're making it awfully difficult for them.
Here's the answer:
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Originally Posted by August
not including the non Arab Muslim countries...
They don't call it a "mission", but "Salafi jihad".
Muslim "missionaries" are currently spreading the good news in the Phillipines, Indonesia (especially Ambon and Bali), Nigeria, Great Brittain, Isreal, Kashmir, the Caucasus and the list goes on and on.
Just watch CNN...

Happy Times 10-29-05 04:08 AM
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/iraqilove.html :o

Kissaki 10-29-05 05:14 AM
Re: New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !
 
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Originally Posted by Abraham
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Originally Posted by Kissaki
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Originally Posted by Abraham
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Originally Posted by Kissaki
Islam is NOT a missionary religion. The huge conquests into Africa and Europe were political, not religious...
Of course, because Muslims enjoyed more rights than others, people did convert - but no one was by any means forced.
Come on Kissaki, get serious with us.
Islam is a missionary religion, period. There are very few who would argue with that. And because there is no clear concept of state in Islam, something like a "Political Islam" exists. A missionary religion with a political agenda forms a dangerous mix.

Let's wait till the Shabbat is over and The Avon Lady bombards your position with a few smart links...
:D
What is your basis for saying Islam is a missionary religion? You are the first person I've come across to even be adamant on that point, and most people I've talked to have had a contrary opinion. I've never even heard of Muslim missionaries, and it doesn't make sense when considering the fact that mosques and the centre of Mekka is off limits to non-Muslims. If they want people to convert to Islam, they're making it awfully difficult for them.
Here's the answer:
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Originally Posted by August
not including the non Arab Muslim countries...
They don't call it a "mission", but "Salafi jihad".
Muslim "missionaries" are currently spreading the good news in the Phillipines, Indonesia (especially Ambon and Bali), Nigeria, Great Brittain, Isreal, Kashmir, the Caucasus and the list goes on and on.
Just watch CNN...
Like I said before, their expansion was a political one, and did not have any missionary purpose. The fact that people converted to Islam was a side-effect from their occupants being Muslim. People will be affected by outter influences, whether it's intended or not. And I have yet to meet a Muslim who talks about his religion unless I ask him. I have heard none of them preach.

Example: back when I was studying archaeology, a field trip was arranged to Turkey. I didn't get the opportunity to go, but a good friend of mine told me something that stuck: He had been exchanging jokes with some of the locals, and wanted to know what sort of Christian jokes they had (because we have more than plenty Muslim jokes). The local men looked surprised, and a little shocked, and said they would never think to make fun of Christians. They took their faith seriously, and as a consequence, they took other faiths seriously as well. Anything less would be hypocritical.

Islam does not - nor did it ever - have a policy to "spread the good word". Islam has become more prevalent in the recent years in the West, this is true, but this is due to Muslim immigration, not any missionary activity. There are precious few converts.

Abraham 10-29-05 06:51 AM
New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !
 
When Islamists are spreading the Islam violently into neighbouring countries I see that as proof of the missionary element of Islam.
You see it as proof of an agressive policy.
In the end the result is the same: Submission of all to the Sharia, so your argumentation is really about semantics.

I will spell out the missionary element in Salafi jihad:
Islam is the spirit of complete submission to Allah and the Sharia in all spheres of life to form an 'umma' (a Muslim community). The 'dawa' (call to Islam) frees mankind from servitude to other men and delivers men from manmade laws, value systems like democracy and traditions.
'Dawa', call to Islam, to form an 'umma' (Muslim community).
It can hardly be more missionary, can it?

The real point is that fundamental Islam doesn't accept non-Islamic states, with non Islamic governments holding non-Islamic power and making non-Islamic rules.
Islam clearly states that the Sharia is superior to and overrules any national legal system and in Holland our legal system is regulary addressed as "the rule of the suppressors" by Muslim Dutchmen from Arab origine (sorry I don't have the Arab word right now).
That's why Islam is having great difficulties being a minority religion in a secular state.
That's also why Islam acknowledges a clear difference, or antithesis, in this world between 'dar al-Islam' (the land or nation of Islam) and 'dar al-kufr' (the land or nation of infidels). Where ever the borderline is there are two 'subversions' of 'dar al-kufr', the 'dar al-suhl' (the land or nation of the treaty) when there is a temporary break in fighting and the 'dar al-harb' (the land or nation of conflict).
It's all pretty black and white for fundamental Islam. That's why president Ahmadinejad statement was strictly adhering to fundamental and political Islam in his statement and can hardly be dropped or excused by fundamental Muslims.

I read that you call a country with a Christian majority a Christian country compared to a country with a Muslim majority a Muslim country.
You are making a mistake with such a comparison. Christianity almost everywhere (apart from for instance Greece) knows the division between State and Church. America is a secular state, with equal rights for any religion, whether or not the majority of Americans is Christian. Traditional and cultural habits like saying "God bless America" and swearing an oath on the Bible are not proof of America being a Christian nation, but proof of its Christian heritage.
Such equal treatment of religions does not exist in Muslim countries, because - again - there is a strong political (=power) component in fundamental Islam. That's why there are many discriminatory rules against other religions in Muslim countries, even in countries like Indonesia and Turkey...

Skybird 10-29-05 08:23 AM
Just hopping in every couple of days now, I see this thread and it makes we start thinking about writing a long essay again on the history of Islam in the first two hundred years after Muhammad's death, and the outbrake of still-standing orthodoxy in the time after that. Just to clean some of the very dangerous and potentially culturally suicidal illusions some people here expressed about the "non-expansive" and "tolerant" nature of Islam. Islam by heart and core of it's own religious self-definition is neither tolerant, nor non-expansive. And it regards western ratio and christianity (as well as Jewish belief) as exact anti-thesis to itself, that'S why a true dialogue in the meaning of a give-and-take of ideas with both "partners" on the same eye-level is simply impossible and a Western folly that loves to babble with itself in an endless, narcistic monologue. As a matter of fact I see Islam - in a historical context as well as from a perspective of social commands - as a militant, totalitarian ideology that poses a very strong claim for the right of sole reigning and forcing other to surrender to it. The historical events during and after Muhammad's life are telling a very clear language here. It is not enough to read the koran to learn aboiut Islam, kno0wuing it's history is far more important (although Islam itself rejects the need to accept that there is a changing, flowing history). Although I may have given the impression in the past that I defended Islam - I do not, quite the opposite, I fight against it, as far as the spreading of Islam in the Western cultural sphere is concerned, because it is totally incomatiable with the western developement of mental and rational traditions and our concepts of individuality and freedom (or "democracy", for that reason). I just defended the right of foreign people to live to their liking in their own places, wether it be the arabs in arabia or the Persians in Iran, who are about to raise a first-class world entertainment program with their new president, it seems :x ). but we have no reason to welcome Islamc habits in our own communities, if we do so, it will try not stay as a guest, but to become master in the hoiuse. This is it's declared mission and self-perception. And this is very dangerous for our own cultural identity that is already heavily wounded by excessive materialsim that created a spiritual vacuum in which Islam now willingly flows into, much like it did in the social conditions of Arabia in the 7th century. The historic parallels are stunning. The West is already highly vulnerable due to it's cultural falldown, it is bad advise to play around with Islam in such times.

Hm, but I do not want to get engaged in an ongoing discussion about this. Maybe I just write a summarizing essay on history and post it here the next days.

Fish 10-29-05 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Just hopping in every couple of days now, I see this thread and it makes we start thinking about writing a long esssay again on the history of Islam in the first two hundreds years after Muhammad's death, and the outbrake of still-standing orthodoxy in the time after that. Just to clean some of the very dangerous and potentially culturally suicidal illusions some people here expressed about the "non-expansive" and "tolerant" nature of Islam. Islam by heart and core of it'S own religious self-definition is neither tolerant, nor non-expansive. and it regards western ratio and christianity as exact anti-thesis to itself, that'S why a true dialogue in the meaning of a give-and-take of ideas with both "partners" on the same eye-level is simpl yimpossible and a Western folly. As a matter of fact I see it as a militant, totalitarian ideology that poses a very strong claim for the right of sole reigning and forcing other to surrender to it. The historic events during and after Muhammad's life are telling a very clear language here. Although I may have given the impression in the past that I defended Islam - I do not, quite the opposite, I fight against it, as far as the spreading of Islam in the Wesxtern cultural sphere is concerned. I just defended the right of foreiogn people to live to their liking in their own places. but we have no reason to welcome them and their Islamic habits in our own communities. this is very dangerous for our own cultural identit that is already heavily wounded by excessive materialsim that created a spiritual vakkum in which Islam now willingly flows into, much like it did in the social coditions of Arabia in the 7th century. The historic parallels are stunning.
Hm, but I do not want to get engaged in an ongoing discussion about this. Maybe I just write a summarizing essay and post it here the next days.
Looking forward. :yep:

tycho102 10-29-05 10:11 AM
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Sixpack was generalizing out of anger; my point is most Muslims are pretty quiet about this problem, you only hear from them when someone says "Muslims this" or "Muslims that".
This is the direct problem with the religion, today. The moderates are scared to speak up, just like I'd have been scared to speak up in East Berlin. I think the extremists are a minority; but a 30% minority can still be effective. What they (the Muslim leaders) have done is spread out that minority, just like an counter-intelligence agency would. They are not clustered, and they depend on a hierarchy for their operations. Each individual gang is directed by the local Don, and from time to time, multiple gangs band together to wipe out a rival or weak gang.

So, when you get a "moderate" Muslim that condemns any part of Jihad, the local Imam issues a fatwah against the apostate (a Muslim who turns away from Islam, for which it carries a sentence of death in the Koran). The "moderates" don't speak up because they will be executed, and likely a portion of their family. Not just in Egypt or Pakistan, but right here in the good old USA.

Collective punishment works (and collective rewarding), which is why Europe wanted it banned in all of their international treaties. We are dealing with 1300 years of a selective breeding program, and I'm not even remotely joking. This same kind of mentality is why the Muslims are raping women in Darfur. It's just the way you waged Jihad back in the 700's AD, and it's been working for them ever since.



So, there's three issues here of why the moderates don't condemn Muslim aggression, and these are not far-fetched or trivial:

1. The distributed Jihadist structure in every mosque in the world. You executioner could be anyone.

2. Collective punishment, and in some cases, collective rewarding (Saudia Arabia has given billions of dollars to the families of suicide bombers, making many "families" a suicide bomber factory).

3. 1000 year selective breeding program. The people who protest are killed, just like when all those University kids in Iran were protesting and the moral police went through beating and shooting them.

Type941 10-29-05 11:06 AM
All violent forms of Islam gotta be outlawed as fascism and racism - in a nutshell. Russia is dealing with it in Chechnya - vakhabism and sheriah law. If something's not done to prevent it from spreading - France, UK, Germany and other countries will end up with their own checnhyas, lead by these very fanatical bastards of human beings, who all cluster into groups for greater strength, and are like cockroaches and parasites. They will use our own freedom system to say what they like, and get a result they want, while we'll stand and be happy because by allowing them to speak we protected our freedom of speech. Isn't this absolutely rediculous?? But it's what's happening!

Kissaki 10-29-05 11:44 AM
Re: New president IRAN: Wipe Israel of face of the earth !
 
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Originally Posted by Abraham
When Islamists are spreading the Islam violently into neighbouring countries I see that as proof of the missionary element of Islam.
You see it as proof of an agressive policy.
In the end the result is the same: Submission of all to the Sharia, so your argumentation is really about semantics.
Ok, so using your logic, I might argue that the Indian wars wasn't about territory but about spreading Christianity throughout America. Semantics, indeed.

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I will spell out the missionary element in Salafi jihad: Islam is the spirit of complete submission to Allah and Sharia in all spheres of life to form an 'umma' (a Muslim community). The 'dawa' (call to Islam) frees mankind from servitude to other men and delivers men from manmade laws, value systems like democracy and traditions.
'Dawa', call to Islam, to form an 'umma' (Muslim community).
It can hardly be more missionary, can it?
In countries governed by a religious caste, the laws are naturally going to be those of the religion. Hence, whereas in the strictly religious sense only the Muslims need mind the Sharia, non-Muslims have to abide by it too, because it's national law. They are not obligated to worship, however, nor are they obligated to fast, stay chaste before marriage etc. They are allowed to do as they please, so long as it doesn't conflict with the law - which happens to be the Sharia.

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The real point is that fundamental Islam doesn't accept non-Islamic states, with non Islamic governments holding non-Islamic power and making non-Islamic rules.
Now you're talking about fundamental Islam. I've been addressing general Islam.

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Islam clearly states that the Sharia is superior to and overrules any national legal system and in Holland our legal system is regulary addressed as "the rule of the suppressors" by Muslim Dutchmen from Arab origine (sorry I don't have the Arab word right now).
That's why Islam is having great difficulties being a minority religion in a secular state.
What can I say? Our experiences differ.

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That's also why Islam knows a clear difference, or antithesis in this world between 'dar al-Islam' (the land or nation of Islam) and 'dar al-kufr' (the land or nation of infidels) where ever the borderline is there are two 'subversions' of 'dar al-kufr', the 'dar al-suhl' (the land or nation of the treaty) when there is a temporary break in fighting and the 'dar al-harb' (the land or nation of conflict).
It's all pretty black and white for fundamental Islam. That's why president Ahmadinejad was strictly adhering to fundamental and political Islam.
It's all pretty black and white for fundamental anything. Again I must reiterate that I am not defending the fundamentalists, but Islam on a general basis.

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I read that you call a country with a Christian majority a Christian counrtry compared to a country with a Muslim majority a Muslim country.
You are making a mistake with such a comparison. Christianity almost everywhere (apart from for instance Greece) knows the division between State and Church. America is a secular state, with equal rights for any religion, whether or not the majority of Americans is Christian. Traditional and cultural habits like saying "God bless America" and swearing an oath on the Bible are not proof of America being a Christian nation, but proof of its Christian heritage.
There is no seperation of Church and state in Norway, but we still have religious freedom. As for the US, there are many laws that are the direct result of religion (most of them sleeping, thankfully). Until the '60s, some states forbade the teaching of evolutionary theory, and certain other Christian curiosities could be seen in laws here and there such as no dancing, no card-playing, no pre-marital sex etc. To this day, oral and anal sex remain criminal offenses in certain states, though like I said, today these are "sleeping" laws. Also, the addition of "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in the '50s demonstrates that separation of Church and state is like Communism - looks great on paper, but doesn't quite work as it's supposed to in practice. Sure, there is religious freedom, but America is very much a Christian nation.

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Such equal treatment of religions does not exist in Muslim countries, because - again - there is a strong political (=power) component in fundamental Islam. That's why there are many discriminatory rules against other religions in Muslim countries, even in countries like Indonesia and Turkey...
Here you are using a very broad brush indeed to pain all Muslim countries as fundamentalist. In many countries where the government itself is Muslim, yes, fundamentalist laws may apply. But there are also countries - like Iraq - which has a secular government, and consequently is quite liberal in religious matters. Furthermore, I am not aware of any laws in either Indonesia or Turkey which is particularly discriminatory against other religions. There are probably little bits here and there, but not more discriminatory than our laws to the Muslims here.

Type941 10-29-05 12:24 PM
Kissaki - what you are saying is pointless because these people don't listen to reason. It's all okey dokey if they were a civilized breed, but the problem is these people seem to behave, preach and act like animals, and they deserve an appropriate treatment.

Go to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, and say Christianity is good, ask them to give you reason why Israel isn't, etc, have a civilized conversation. Than tell us about it... I suspect you never will, because you can't talk to those people. Sorry, it's such a different culture and mentality, that we are better off just buying their oil and not going there, and not letting them into europe. They are a very jealous bitter racist people who want nothing good for you. Why do you keep defending them is beyond me.

A good thing is to see people actually speaking out about this probelm and not buying into this whole 'Islam is peaceful religion' crap, that's shoved down our throats just to 'prevent' some potential 'revolution'.

Stop hiding the head in the sand about this issue like an ostridge... they might put the road there.

bradclark1 10-29-05 01:00 PM
When you are in conflict with a country or a difference in thinking there really is no separation of good bad guys and bad bad guys. ie:
Axis vs Allies
Catholics vs Protestants
and so on.
If I was an American and you were German you were the enemy period.
If I was Catholic and you were Protestant you were the enemy period.
If you were a nazi and I was a jew I was an enemy period.
In this case if I'm western and you are an islamic what does that make you?
And that is what the world is coming to. Islam uses freedom as a weapon.
Send Billy Graham to Saudi Arabia or Syria and see how long he would live.

Kissaki 10-29-05 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Type941
Kissaki - what you are saying is pointless because these people don't listen to reason. It's all okey dokey if they were a civilized breed, but the problem is these people seem to behave, preach and act like animals, and they deserve an appropriate treatment.
That's exactly what the Nazies said, and believed, about the Jews. And don't try and tell me that "the Nazies were victims of propaganda - I, on the other hand, rely on hard facts". Because that's exactly what the Nazies said, too. The real facts are, as they have always been: people are people. And people are human, with real human personalities. There is no such thing as comic book villains in real life. Also, propaganda is propaganda, and in your quote above I see history repeating itself.

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Go to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, and say Christianity is good, ask them to give you reason why Israel isn't, etc, have a civilized conversation. Than tell us about it... I suspect you never will, because you can't talk to those people. Sorry, it's such a different culture and mentality, that we are better off just buying their oil and not going there, and not letting them into europe. They are a very jealous bitter racist people who want nothing good for you. Why do you keep defending them is beyond me.
Show me where I've defended the fundamentalists or terrorists. What I have done is refuse to accept misinformed, racist generalizations based on hate - in fact, I refuse to accept anything based on hate. I have defended Islam from attacks by people who make judgements based on radicals they see on the news.

Furthermore, I'd like you to think on the following: How many symbols of Christianity have been attacked by Muslim radicals? The answer is none. What they have attacked are symbols of capitalism and Western power. It's not our religion they hate, it's our culture. You may counter with such examples as the Taliban destruction of Buddhist statues, but they would still not attack Christianity.

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A good thing is to see people actually speaking out about this probelm and not buying into this whole 'Islam is peaceful religion' crap, that's shoved down our throats just to 'prevent' some potential 'revolution'.
We have a conspiracy theorist in our midst.

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Stop hiding the head in the sand about this issue like an ostridge... they might put the road there.
Hiding my head in the sand? I am not the one unwilling to see the case from multiple sides, here. I would rather urge you to stop covering your ears and going lalalala because you refuse to believe that Muslims can be anything but evil. I am often stunned by the levels of prejudice in people who accuse others of prejudice.

If you remember just one thing from this post, remember this: All generalizations are false.


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