I can understand Skybird's opinion, because it's quite similar to mine. After a lot of time as a PC gamer, and the accompanying irritation when things don't work right, my tolerance level for faulty products is quite low. I want things to work well.

What I do not understand, however, are the specific choices made by Skybird. He preferred to get SH3 and not DW. I did the opposite: get DW, not SH3.

Now, I think it is safe to say both have bugs but in my opinion, analyzing the risks, DW should be preferred. After all, DW is relatively well-behaved software in the sense that any bugs in it are not likely to cause trouble outside of DW. The worst thing that can happen is that you do not like the game. Occupational hazard for a gamer I guess. (and, by the way, I do like DW, I'd like the bugs to be fixed but even with the bugs it's definitely playable)

With SH3, you get that plus the bug (some say feature, as it was intentional) called StarForce. This can not only prevent the game itself from working right, but can also mess up other parts of your system. And if I recall correctly, that's exactly what happened to Skybird, twice. (apologies if I'm confusing you with someone else Skybird)

Looking at it that way, getting SH3 but not DW seems rather strange, unless one dislikes modern subs, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

Guys, I don't know, i really don'T know why you are so upset about me. even if Oleg believes he knows my intentions and motivations - I know them better for sure. You did not see me show up often in this DW forum in the last months, and when I did, it was about questions of the status of the game, and patches, and then I said I do not plan anymore to buy a software, Dw or whatever, if I think it is in need of patches. MORE I DID NOT DO. But then, here in this thread, I get adressed again and again - simply because I am not of the opinion of the majority here. A majority that probably is present in this forum because someone who has no interest on DW simply has not much reason to be here. That i still read here and wait for 1.02 simply prooves my still existing interest in DW. why these hurt sentiments just because I don't embrace your loved one as soft and tender as you do?

However, I consider myself not on a crusade for rescuing simulations, or single developers I have no personal contact to, I know who Jamie is, but have no personal relation to him whatever. I am a PAYING CUSTOMER in the first, seeing a sim with, I think, tremendous potential and high complexity, that still has some small issues, others say not so small issues left to be solved, and when these got adressed, even not all but most, then I plan to buy it. Like I plan to buy a book not before all it's pages are included in the final edition. what is so upsetting about this?
This is no fault of some people voicing there doiubts in the forum and guidng me onto the wrong track, as some of you suggested. Doubt is good. without doubt there cannot be test. Without testing there cannot be demand for something better. without that demand no better quality can appear. Popinting out both light AND shadow is essential, i think, and i insist on that.

Adressing some questions now that were raised in recent replies here. I already said why I bought SH3 instead of DW. The review dampened my caution and original plan NOT TO BUY SH3, with reagrd to SF, from which I suffer some moderate damage, but nothing that really questions the functionality of my system, thank digital God, and as I said - knowing then what I knew now I wouldn't have bought it before 1.02. Is this understood now? The impressions that made me change my mind were misleading, somewhat.

I bought GTR in last autumn, because back then I was unaware of the problems that SF could raise, I never heared of it before GTR. and it it raised these problems both on my old system back then, and now on my new system again, so I stzarted to read and learn about it, labelling it know as clear and undenaible malware. For me it is a massive slowdown of reaction times of both DVD and CD drives after a new disc got inserted, this could lead to up a minute's wait in the main but usually is slighty less, it is nerving, but not really damaging. It is gone without Sf present on my system(s). the official deinstallation tool does not deinstall SF from both my system. So I never pay money for SF -infested stuff again, period.

I red and respect Jamie's reply, and I understand his attitude perfectly. With me in his place, I maybe would see it the same to some degree. Howevber, I am interested in naval sims - amongst others only, they are not my only interest in computer simming, I am no exclusive navy die-hard fan, so my attitude towards SA is that of a customer, not that of an overenthusiastic fan wanting to save the genre from the heaven falling down on it. When I compared to the long wait for 1.08 for SC, i did not intend to damage SA or DW, my anger of that time is gone, but I drew consequences from it, just thi., But I wanted to illustrate why I still remain in a waiting position towards DW. And read this now, guys: remainining in a position of waiting is not the same like withdrawing from that position and leave it behind.

I already said that I think the quality standards of sims and games at release dates would be better today (not especially Dw on mind, which still seem to be above average in that regard) if in the past years customers wouldn't have always rushed for the latest stuff in the first weeks, spending their money on buggy or even unfinished stuff or bad support by companies, and with their premature buying sending the message that they support companies to go on with that policy of rushing games out. I think that argument to be understandable. I now and finally live and act by it. No reason for you to question and attack me on that again and again. you are free to spend your money on what you want. If what you get is what you wanted, fine for you. Why that debate??? I found myself dissapointed or frustrated too often in recent years. I do not do like that anymore. Fine for me, period.

It all comes down to this. I will read the readme for 1.02 and see if those things I have on my mind and that were debated in this forum and that I don't consider to be that minor like you do, got adressed and solved. It is not a long list, btw. I will observe the feedback about the patch, and hope it will be reasonable, not simply enthusiastically painting the world in pink. I expect (yes I do!) that the result of this will be satisfying, then I place my order, SA gets the money for a product that then I consider to be acceptable and "finished", "complete", and we both will be happy. I do the same when buying a new bike, a book, a music CD, whatever, i buy it not befdoe the item is okay and complete. It's a very good way to do private business.;) If you do that with all game softweare in coming years, quality level will raise, because companies will see they cannot survive if remaining the to policy of premature releases. Not DW on my mind, but lesser bugs in new games is possible!

and Jamie, in one thing you maybe are wrong. simply promoting something is not enough, too many people out there I know in private or via internet that don'T give a damn for printed or internet reviews or articles anymore, because in the past such reviews had been too blind and too forgiviong concenring weak sides of a product. Let the world know you have a sim, and what features it has, but beyond that simple effort the best that can happen to your current or future product is that it gets mercylessly tested to the bone, and comes away with only minor negative things, but passes the deciding aspects with flying colours - if you did a good job. THIS IS what convinces potentially interested people more than any hyped enthusiasm about something. People usually are sick and tired of simple getting adverts and promotions stacking up in their email and real-mail boxes, that cannot be the deciding thing. Like Timmy said himself, he does not trust someone writing a review when that someone is overly enthusiastic and forgiving towards the sim he is reviewing, forgetting his obligation to really TEST it for weaknesses: in that phase you need to want to find something negative, else it is no testing, but a bad joke. and Jamie, of course you can hope that people buy a sim even when you say yourself you prepare a patch, indicating by that you are working on things that, in the widest meaning possible, needs to be reworked. But you have no moral argument to demand people to buy it as long as the simple fact that a patch is in the works clearly indicates that even the developer himself does not consider his prouct to be finished. And you did not demand that, I know, I adress this message to several others who are reading here. I do not violate any moral ground or show no lacking respect or interest when waiting until "patch complete" before I buy something.

Actually, you all and me are maybe not as far apart than many of you seem to think, concerning our interest for DW. If I board the boat in let's say autumn, if i get the aboard when it is done, then it will be early enough and a perfect time to join, from perspective of customer's valid and legal interests.

BUMP

I am wandering if SA would have released the noise-speed hotfix if people around this forum didn't complained about how " strange " is a submarine game simulation where subs' noise is not related somehow to their own speed... :huh:

I appreciated a lot the trmenedous efforts made by Amizaur in testing how arcade DW was before the hotfix but he never told that, he posted tons of data , posted new threads that, considering the sales period, led SA to release an hot fix.

I am doing the same now still convinced that a sub running flank can't be quite as a stopped Kilo like it was before the hotfix,related to other issues, f.i. what the final 102 patch can really do in terms of satisfying my sim needings checklist.

Yes, it's not easy to develop such a game but you have to do it having in mind that you will have to deal with sim players,you do not have the same target of who produces Quake or Pinball Waterfall Edition.

Well, customers that will buy a simulation will pretend for sure more,much more than Pinball customers,this must be taken into serious consideration when such a game is beeing developed considering that just this kind of customers are the ones who already financed the game and would care to have it patched,possibly not too many months after the indicated date that if I recall right, Jamie some times ago, stated before July.

Boomer

Boomer you aren't doing anything except being annoying and not contributing anything. I can see Skybirds point of view and he is logical in his posts not rambling and incoherent which I find yours many a time.

As for the hotfix it was a simple fix...possibly a missed digit.

Hm lets see, 1.02 is a bigger patch and if you didn't read Jamie's post they are kind of busy...you know they do other stuff for some would say more important and better paying customers.

I am fed up with the tone in your posts that suggest SCS should drop everything for DW and more importantly you to keep you happy and playing the game again. Christ I don't know about you but I have more important things to do than worry about a post. It's called work and buying a house...hence I haven't pposted much on the forum.

But seeing you here is just bugging me.

Sign up for the real navy , if you want the real multiplayer/multistation experience...no patches needed .

...and you get paid for it :yep:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Well said .

As for no patches needed never say never.
Didn't the Royal Navy wanted to introduce Windows controlled software inside nuclear submarines ?
With Windows you are never a patch away :rotfl:

- Sir , the main balast tank does not want to close.
- Hmmmm, let's try to restart the reactor....

Oops fatal error....please reboot the submarine :rotfl:

:rotfl: @ Xabba :rotfl:

TG

No, no...it would be...sir, we need to defrag the main ballast tank and then complete a clean install of the reactor. :rock: :rotfl: :rotfl:

At least someone takes the time to have fun laughin.... :D

Anyway for those who speak very well english but ignore latin this is the meaning of the the word FORUM :

forum
noun forums, fora
forum - A place, programme or publication where opinions can be expressed and openly discussed.

Only to few elder members ( my old best friends ) and to few new rookies , please do not bark , this is not your private club.


Boomer

ROFL!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

"Conn, Sonar. Torpedo in the water! Bearing... *What the heck?* Conn, Sonar. Got blue screen of death. Need to do a hard reboot."

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