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Eisenwurst 09-14-23 12:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd9dp8DhJ0M

A good game from a few years ago. :)

Eisenwurst 09-21-23 06:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KHuxCs87Lk

I like rugby 7s. I think every country in the world's probably got a team. It's a quick game and never boring.

Anyway this is a good game from 2018.....the better team won. :)

Aktungbby 09-21-23 06:38 PM

...incl. at least one San Jose Seahawks "summer 7's" tournement I participated in back in 1976 on Stanford University campus. I recall I played guest hooker for the Penisula Ramblers against the Sacramento River Rats as they were short a man at that position. My own Seahawk teammates later teased me: "How come don't you play like that for us!??":shucks:

Aktungbby 09-25-23 10:59 AM

In todaze W.S.J.! THe maul vs the 'tush push'!!
 
Considering that I ran rugby 4-man'lineout' plays in intermural touch-football from the QB position with myself as the overlap fifth-man for the TD...50 years ago; the NFL is beginning to catch on: https://images.wsj.net/im-855236/?width=1278&size=1
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The NFL play that torments the brightest defensive minds in football these days hardly resembles a football play at all.
Popularized by the Philadelphia Eagles and Jalen Hurts, it’s a twist on the traditional quarterback sneak. Only instead of the quarterback lunging forward solo, he gets some extra muscle from his teammates pushing him from behind to bulldoze through the line. The short-yardage ploy was so effective last season, as the Eagles successfully converted 92% of their sneaks en route to the Super Bowl, that the NFL considered banning it.
But the actual solution for it might not lie in the rulebook. As it happens, there’s another game with an oblong ball in which shoving a ball carrier through a fearsome tangle of enormous bodies isn’t a controversial new play.
It’s basically the entire sport. This ancient game is called rugby,
and the best teams in the world are in France right now pummeling each other into the turf at the 2023 Rugby World Cup.
To outsiders, rugby may look like a lawless riot that involves running, kicking and lots of flattening of people. But no sport is more advanced when it comes to the art of stopping a ball carrier in his tracks, and to those familiar with rugby’s rules, the short-yardage play that has confounded the NFL doesn’t look foreign at all. In fact, it’s so routine they even have a name for it: a maul.
The mechanics of a maul are essentially the same as the NFL tactic that has become known as the tush push. The player in possession of the ball is surrounded by teammates who bind their arms together and drive him forward as one tightly packed unit, while a swarm of opponents desperately tries to prevent them from gaining territory. The main difference in rugby is that the players are crazy enough to attempt this without pads.
Those with experience stopping a rugby maul suggest some unorthodox strategies that defenses could employ to negate the effectiveness of the Eagles’ sneak: Binding arms together before the snap. Moving laterally as a unit to plug holes in the line. And forgetting everything you know about traditional defensive line technique.
Scott Henderson is the head coach of the Eagles, but he leads a different flock of birds. He coaches the USA Rugby Eagles, the country’s national rugby team, and he says that defensive linemen who are used to working individually need to behave as one to counter the collective force aiming to push them backward. “Make it a stalemate,” Henderson says. “The way you might do that, in rugby anyway, is you bind [arms] and now it becomes four legs pushing together instead of two.”
Rugby has been played since 1823, when an English schoolboy decided to pick up a soccer ball and invent a new way to experience pain. In the two centuries since then, the sport has figured out that the key to defending a maul is to halt the ball carrier’s momentum. To do that, players interlock their arms, dig in their heels, and construct what is effectively a wall of gigantic humans.
Unlike football, where each defensive lineman is on his own trying to beat one of his offensive counterparts, rugby relies on pack behavior—scrums, rucks and mauls all see players bind themselves together and move as one collective unit. That technique is crucial to stopping a collective push by the offense, whether the ball has laces or not.
While there have been cries to make the rugby-style play illegal in the NFL, the rulebook actually gives defensive players an advantage that they’re not currently exploiting. Offensive players are prohibited from linking their arms to block. But there’s no specific rule stopping defensive players from doing so in order to create a wall of their own. The only reason NFL defenders haven’t done so is that this notion is completely antithetical to typical defensive line play. Pass rushers and run stoppers normally operate with the aim of winning individual matchups against an opposing blocker to get into the backfield. Against the tush push, though, there’s no time for that—as soon as the ball is snapped, the quarterback is thrusting forward. The goal is simple: don’t get pushed backwards.
“There are rules about the offensive line pre-binding, but there’s nothing to say the defense couldn’t,” says Dan Lyle, a former captain of the U.S. rugby team. “You could play a five-man defensive front, three linebackers, and you pre-bind and fill the gaps. One man goes low, one fills the hole. You’re thinking about the defense of this as a team.”:yeah:
Lyle, who was once offered a contract to play tight end for the Minnesota Vikings, has another unconventional suggestion for stopping the Eagles’ sneak. This one involves wrestling a giant amorphous blob. When Lyle played for the U.S. team under former coach Jack Clark, the squad practiced mauls by performing something known as the amoeba drill. It called for the defenders to link arms and move quickly from side to side, to learn how to move effectively as a unit in reaction to the different surges that the attacking team might make.

“You’ve got to try to manipulate the amoeba,” Lyle said. “You’re going to have to fight through two to three layers before you reach the center, or the ball carrier. But the No. 1 thing is you’ve got to try to disrupt it, stop it at the source and prevent it from shifting from one hole into another.”

To be sure, linking arms on the gridiron to try and push back a heavily armored, 300-pound offensive guard is as untested as it is risky. But whether the defensive linemen literally bind together or not, the principle behind it applies: they should ignore the usual spacing and cram together as closely as possible.

Clark, a member of the U.S. Rugby Hall of Fame, says one way to think of the problem defenses face in these situations is that the offense is jamming an immense amount of power into a narrow doorway. Unlike other plays, where a runner might bounce toward the outside, the quarterback is quickly diving forward backed by the might of teammates behind him.

“The only way you’re going to resist that is to mirror that in reverse,” Clark says.

That means matching muscle with muscle. He advises that the defensive linemen should line up much closer than they’re accustomed and concentrate their power in those doorways to exploit how this is the rare play where they know where the ball carrier is going.

These ideas might seem novel inside professional football, a sport where the idea of a linebacker trying to leap over the line to stop a quarterback sneak is considered cutting edge. But there’s one rugby insider who’s especially motivated to help NFL defenses figure this play out.

Mike Tolkin coached the U.S. team at the 2015 Rugby World Cup, and his suggestions include undercutting the offensive linemen, using their leverage to halt the offense’s momentum and deploying a linebacker to tackle the quarterback if he goes airborne. Even more than other rugby coaches, Tolkin may have spent a little extra time thinking about this conundrum.
Essentially, I consider Amerikan football, both NFL and Collegate level, to be an extremely dangerous game; with fatalities for profit at the expense of player's brains due to helmet on helmet mayhem & violence and heatstroke resulting in CTE damage and dementia...all to sell beer. I forbade all my nephews to play it...The one with a college scholarship to play All American Lacross still got a concussion! Rugby is the safer game. https://images.wsj.net/im-856218?wid...05861664712778 https://nccsir.unc.edu/wp-content/up...L-public-1.pdf

Aktungbby 10-28-23 03:48 PM

...watching the world championship match for all the marbles 'twixt South Africa Springboks and New Zealand AllBlacks. As of 20:38 the score is 3-6 with good work by SA's kicker on two field-goals giving the lead. The play is static, clean & polite with sides evenly matched.

Aktungbby 10-28-23 04:06 PM

New Zealand now playing a man short due to an upgrade yellow card to red following review; high degree of danger penalty 'with no mitigation'. NZ's captain is out of the game. At 36:12 the score is 6-12 with SA leading.

Aktungbby 10-28-23 04:44 PM

...getting rough at 55:14 as the NZ try is recalled for a knockon; the score remains 6-12; SA leading...EDIT: at 58:17, NZ in for try; 11-12 SA leads by a point. AND SA hangs on eating up the clock to hold off NZ to take it by a point with both teams playing a man short for rough play.

Aktungbby 10-30-23 12:55 PM

Keep your eye on #9 SA scrum-half De Klerk
 
The last 5 minutes were tough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft6tWCgKB68

Aktungbby 11-11-23 03:25 PM

WSJ:Veteran's Day book-review
 
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/...FL._SY466_.jpg
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Before 9/11, the rugby team at West Point learned to bond on a sports field. This is what happened when those 15 young men became leaders in war.
Filled with drama, tragedy, and personal transformations, this is the story of a unique brotherhood. It is a story of American rugby and a story of the U. S. Army created through intimate portraits of men shaped by West Point’s motto: “Duty, Honor, Country.”
Some of the players deployed to Afganistan and Iraq, some to Europe. Some became infantry, others became fliers. Some saw action, some did not. One gave his life on a street in Baghdad when his convoy was hit with an IED. Two died away from the battlefield but no less tragically.
Journalist Martin Pengelly, a former rugby player himself, was given extraordinary access to tell this story, a story of a brutal sport and even more brutal warfare.
https://images.wsj.net/im-884354?width=600&height=600 https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/boo...-them-5627f6bc
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“Brotherhood” looks at the experience of the war through the eyes of the school’s small cadre of rugby players. The author, Martin Pengelly, is a British expatriate who works in the Guardian newspaper’s Washington bureau; he once played amateur rugby in England, including in a 2002 game against the Army rugby team that he would come to write about 20 years later. “It was a night out of the ordinary,” the author recalls of that matchup, “a hard game against hard men being groomed to fight hard wars.”
These men were exceptionally well-prepared for any conflict on the battlefield, Mr. Pengelly tells us, thanks to their experiences on the rugby pitch. Rugby is a lot like American football—moving a ball downfield, crashing violently into each other—but without the padding or helmets. “Faster than football and harder than soccer,” is how Kurt Vonnegut described it. “The ‘brothers’ of West Point’s 2002 rugby team came from diverse backgrounds and grew into a team bound together by common purpose, mutual trust, and affection,” Gen. H.R. McMaster, West Point class of ’84 and a former rugby player himself, writes in the book’s introduction. “They cared not from whence their teammates came nor for any identity categories into which they might fit. They earned respect from one another based on their character and athletic prowess.”
Mr. Pengelly’s back-and-forth narrative—one page you’re in Iraq, the next you’re in high school with the future cadets—weaves together multiple in-depth biographies to form a highly readable account of who these men were, where they came from, how they played the game and how they fought the longest war in U.S. military history. “Their stories shed light on something that few Americans understand: an ethos grounded in honor, courage and loyalty that binds warriors to one another,” Gen. McMaster writes. They “internalized this ethos at West Point, exhibited it on the rugby pitch, and carried it with them onto battlefields abroad.”
All of the West Point cadets were among the most capable individuals their high schools had to offer, but the ones who gravitated toward rugby were just a little different. “In America, since the college game sprung up in the sixties and seventies,” Mr. Pengelly writes, “rugby has been a sport of the outsider, the eccentric, the nonconformist. The hardest of hard drinkers. A home for waifs and strays but also for type-As.”
:Kaleun_Salute::yep: Bottom Line: I've never doubted that my 7 years of college and club Rugby contributed to success in my later varied career; primarily in issues of leadership, critical decision making and a certain 'standard of excellence' that precludes being in second-place...:arrgh!:

Aktungbby 07-31-24 10:39 AM

/\ nevermind 'brotherhood' when ya got 'sisterhood'
 
What I watched on TV yesterday::Kaleun_Applaud:https://images.wsj.net/im-985575/?width=1278&size=1
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SAINT-DENIS, France—Ilona Maher arrived here as perhaps the unlikeliest social media sensation of any American athlete competing at the Olympics.
Despite playing a sport whose popularity in the U.S. could generously be described as “burgeoning,” she brought with her to France a combined following on TikTok and Instagram of nearly 2 million people.
She will return home as something different: a national phenomenon. The U.S. won its first ever medal in women’s rugby Tuesday, claiming bronze with a stunning, buzzer-beating 14-12 victory over Australia. Maher was a major reason why.

“It was important for me to show I am funny, but I’m also the real deal and I’m also a very good rugby player,” the 27-year-old Maher said. “You can be feminine on the field. You can feel beautiful. You can go stiff-arm and tackle people.”
Against Australia, someone other than Maher emerged as the hero. With time expiring, Alex Sedrick sprinted nearly the entire length of the field to score the tying try. She then kicked the conversion attempt through the uprights, sparking a raucous American celebration and leaving the Australians in shock.
But the lasting image of the tournament was the sight of Maher trucking opponents with bone-rattling hits that left viewers captivated. Her disregard for would-be tacklers has drawn comparisons to bruising NFL running backs Derrick Henry and Marshawn Lynch. It might be more accurate to say that she treats defenders the way Godzilla treats buildings.
Maher scored three tries in the six matches in Paris. Before this, the U.S. hadn’t advanced past the quarterfinals since rugby sevens joined the Olympic program in 2016.
“It’s an exciting game,” the 27-year-old Maher said. “It’s a little bit different, but it’s when people realize how hard it is and how much fun they get excited by it.”
As it turns out, this isn’t Maher’s first breakout Olympic moment. During the Tokyo Games, she made a name as an online personality, documenting her experience from inside the wacky ecosystem of the athletes’ village. Since then she has committed herself to promoting women in sports, the game of rugby in America and, perhaps the cause most important to her, body image. n one recent video that has been “liked” on TikTok nearly 800,000 times, she responded to a critical commenter by proudly revealing that she stands 5-foot-10, weighs 200 pounds and has a BMI classified as “overweight.” She signed off by saying, “I’m going to the Olympics—and you’re not.”
Her digital presence has helped her land deals with brands like L’Oreal, Secret and New Era. During these Olympics, with her profile soaring, she became the most-followed rugby player on the planet on Instagram with 1.5 million. She has gained about half a million new followers since Team USA’s first match on Sunday.
“It’s really important to have a profile and a profile for our sport,” Maher said. “We are female rugby players—we’re not getting million-dollar contracts.”
The weird thing is that until the past few days, many of her most devoted fans had never actually seen her play rugby in any meaningful way. Millions more had never even heard of her before she delivered her first stiff-arm on Sunday. Rugby receives little mainstream attention in the U.S. and isn’t an official NCAA championship sport.
For a long time, it wasn’t a sport on Maher’s radar, either. She played field hockey, basketball and soccer while growing up in Burlington, Vt., only trying rugby on the recommendation of her father at the age of 17. She quickly discovered that she was a natural and went on to put together a stellar rugby career at Quinnipiac. Becky Carlson, Maher’s coach in college, says she always knew her former player would one day come to dominate women’s rugby. The question was whether the rest of America would notice.
we've noticed!:Kaleun_Applaud:
It’s why she has been so heartened by the reaction to Maher’s rugby prowess in recent days, believing it’s a crucial development not just for her sport, but all of women’s sports. She’s being lauded, Carlson said, “for being the powerful, dominating athlete that she is.”
“It’s highly indicative of how we’re seeing a change in what we value in our female athletes,” Carlson said.
Maher’s showing has even started to generate some celebrity legend. Retired NFL standout Jason Kelce attended the Americans’ match on Sunday and met with Maher afterward. In a clip Maher posted online, Kelce declared that he’s “officially a fan.”
He backed up his words. Not long before the match against Australia, Maher posted a photo on Instagram of Kelce holding a rugby ball and wearing a shirt covered in American flags and images of Maher’s face.
:Kaleun_Salute: Half a century ago, with the Seahawks for 3 years, we practiced against the ladies team all Valkyrie class brutes that hit and tackled as good as the ( numerous ex-semi-pro & college football players) men's team!! https://www.sanjoserugby.com/images/2023Womens15s.jpeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPKBVq8z09c

em2nought 08-02-24 03:25 PM

Why did I think she played for New Zealand? Ah, I've got her confused with Portia Woodman

https://tvnz-1-news-prod.cdn.arcpubl...al=2007%2C1235

Aktungbby 02-27-25 11:03 AM

In today's W.S.J.:
 
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...3&postcount=64 https://images.wsj.net/im-87182703?w...05861664712778
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When the Philadelphia Eagles wound up one yard away from the end zone in the first quarter of the Super Bowl earlier this month, there was no question about what was coming next.
It was time for the Tush Push.
The Eagles’ near unstoppable sneak play, which involves a group of players lining up behind quarterback Jalen Hurts and propelling him forward, came through once again. Hurts barreled into the end zone for the first touchdown in what would turn into a shocking rout of the defending champion Kansas City Chiefs.
It’s been three years since Philadelphia began regularly using the tactic as the NFL’s ultimate short-yardage weapon, and in that time the play has proven as polarizing as it has been effective.
For the rest of the NFL, which had tried and failed to stop it on the field, there was only one thing left to do: Push to get the play outlawed from the game.
This is the time of year when the league mulls tweaks to its rulebook, usually to make football safer or the action more compelling. Many of these proposals go nowhere—and even those that do can take years of fine-tuning before they’re actually approved and implemented.
But the ban on this widely-copied sneak, first proposed by the Green Bay Packers this week, looks suspiciously like an attempt to get a play eliminated from the rulebook purely because it’s too effective behind the guise of health and safety.
“We’re not very successful against it, I know that,” Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst said. “I think there will be a lot of discussions about it.”
It’s as though rival teams had tried to disallow the West Coast offense when they couldn’t stop Bill Walsh’s 49ers or tried to get rid of the Packers sweep play that helped Green Bay dominate pro football in the 1960s.

Anyone who has watched football over the past two decades has seen how rule changes designed to make the game safer can affect the action on the field. Bone-rattling hits that used to be celebrated are now penalized, and even sneezing within a few yards of a quarterback these days seems to draw a flag for roughing the passer.
But when it comes to the Tush Push, there’s no evidence that the play poses an outsize risk.
The Green Bay Packers have proposed a ban on the Tush Push.https://images.wsj.net/im-92879049?w...05861664712778

Jeff Miller, the NFL executive vice president who oversees health and safety, says the league hasn’t been able to determine whether the relatively new play is more dangerous than others because it hasn’t been run often enough to produce significant data.
Still, those within the game maintain that it leads to more guys getting hurt, since the Tush Push often resembles something more commonly seen on a rugby pitch than an NFL field.
“I just feel like the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game,” said Buffalo Bills coach Sean McDermott. “The techniques that are used with that play, to me, have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players.”
There’s no debate, however, that the Eagles are in a league of their own when it comes to sneak plays. Since the start of 2022, the Eagles have converted 98 quarterback sneaks of two yards or less into first downs or touchdowns. That’s more than five times the average of the rest of the league, according to Stats.
The only team that attempted even half as many as Philadelphia was McDermott’s Bills, who have become one of its main copycats. They also might know better than anyone else why the play can be so maddening.
Bills quarterback Josh Allen was stopped on a fourth-down attempt in the AFC Championship.
Bills quarterback Josh Allen was stopped on a fourth-down attempt in the AFC Championship. Photo: Reed Hoffmann/Associated Press
Because the play produces a big blob of guys, it can be difficult for officials to determine exactly when and where a player is ultimately down. Which is exactly the problem Buffalo ran into during the AFC Championship against the Chiefs.
In the fourth quarter of that game, quarterback Josh Allen lined up for a push play. The officials ruled that Allen was stopped short of the first-down line, giving Kansas City the ball, even though Bills fans swear he made it.
The call helped the Chiefs advance to the Super Bowl—where they couldn’t stop the one play they were certain the Eagles would run.
Anyone who has watched football over the past two decades has seen how rule changes designed to make the game safer can affect the action on the field. Bone-rattling hits that used to be celebrated are now penalized, and even sneezing within a few yards of a quarterback these days seems to draw a flag for roughing the passer.

But when it comes to the Tush Push, there’s no evidence that the play poses an outsize risk.
Jeff Miller, the NFL executive vice president who oversees health and safety, says the league hasn’t been able to determine whether the relatively new play is more dangerous than others because it hasn’t been run often enough to produce significant data.
Still, those within the game maintain that it leads to more guys getting hurt, since the Tush Push often resembles something more commonly seen on a rugby pitch than an NFL field.:yeah:
“I just feel like the health and safety of our players has to be at the top of our game,” said Buffalo Bills coach Sean McDermott. “The techniques that are used with that play, to me, have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players.”
There’s no debate, however, that the Eagles are in a league of their own when it comes to sneak plays. Since the start of 2022, the Eagles have converted 98 quarterback sneaks of two yards or less into first downs or touchdowns. That’s more than five times the average of the rest of the league, according to Stats.
The only team that attempted even half as many as Philadelphia was McDermott’s Bills, who have become one of its main copycats. They also might know better than anyone else why the play can be so maddening.
Because the play produces a big blob of guys, it can be difficult for officials to determine exactly when and where a player is ultimately down. Which is exactly the problem Buffalo ran into during the AFC Championship against the Chiefs.
In the fourth quarter of that game, quarterback Josh Allen lined up for a push play. The officials ruled that Allen was stopped short of the first-down line, giving Kansas City the ball, even though Bills fans swear he made it.
The call helped the Chiefs advance to the Super Bowl—where they couldn’t stop the one play they were certain the Eagles would run.
<BOTTOM LINE: Football is for pussies; real men play Rugby! :arrgh!::yep:

Commander Wallace 02-27-25 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2945805)
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...3&postcount=64 https://images.wsj.net/im-87182703?w...05861664712778 <BOTTOM LINE: Football is for pussies; real men play Rugby! :arrgh!::yep:


Rugby and Hockey. :yep:


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