Anyway you choose to dance around it, hurting someone to get information you can get just as easily as you can when not hurting them makes no sense.

Unless you are doing it out of spite, or as some form of weird revenge. Whilst that may be described as human nature by some, I'd call both of those options evil. What do you call them?

Is it not sort of hollywoodish theory.?
Has it occurred to you that those people may be as moral as you yet instead of passing judgments they put the morality to the test for genuine real life reasons.

Which statement are you referring to? The first or the second?

If the first then, No I stand by what I said. Why hurt someone if you don't have to?

If the second, then No I stand by what I have said. Why hurt someone if you don't have to?

How is that Hollywoodish?

I've no idea, nor care how moral they may think they are. If they are hurting people for no good reason, then they are doing something that I consider evil.

These arguments for torture and make-believe situations are irrelevant if torture doesn't work in the first place. If those who advocate it can't prove that it works, then they have already lost the debate.

More like:
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Fine with me.:up:

About damn time too you brought out the popcorn.
http://i.imgur.com/Df9TBPz.gif

^This

Dantooine.

They're on Dantooine. :D

On a more serious note there is proof that the mere threat of torture works like a charm.

May work for some, May not work for others. In reference to terrorist interrogation, this is a rather irrelevant example.

The accused was caught in the act of picking up the ransom and knew therefore that he was in deep. He's much more susceptible to interrogation techniques because he knows the cops know he is guilty.

There's a case of a Canadian citizen picked up transiting the US at Kennedy airport, interrogated, then rendered to Jordan, where he was interrogated again, then tortured by being shipped with 2 inch cable and a confession was extracted from him.

Subsequently he was released without further action because his confession turned out to be false and that he had no intel of any use. Because he wasn't actually linked to any terrorist act or group.

All this because he shared his quite common name with someone on the Homeland Security watch list.

The interrogators thought he was holding out and threatened and finally resorted to torture for no good reason.

Homeland Security? He was detained and eventually deported to Syria based on Canadian intel they the Canadians gave to the U.S.

Once in the hands of Syrian government who knows what happened. So far it's been nothing but speculation and heresay. Maher Arar is back in Canada and hasn't mentioned or pursued a public hearing. One thing is for certain it's obvious the time in Syria must have done him some good because he sure is quite and mild mannered now. Funny how neither he or CAIR has said much since his return.

Maybe too since his Syrian vacation he is now considered good source of intel which is why the governments involved say there was nothing useful obtained from him. Could be they said that to reduce the risk of someone killing their new informant.

I don't want to know. Just call me one of 'the three little birds' where every little ting gonna be alright. YA MON

They got a confession from the murderer which was worthless and the lake as the location for the body was provided by another person.
If that is the best you can manage I suggest you give up.

wow you really havn't got the faintest idea what you are talking about have you.:doh:
The hearings were 7 years ago and the compensation payout was massive.
As for being quiet since his release his involvement in lots of campaigns, his published writing on the subject and his consultant role in a film about his treatment show that you are completely without any knowledge on topics you choose to make claims about.
You sir have proven that you simply spout nonsense which is entirely devoid of thought or fact:yep:

[http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...ff7167&k=97087
Quite a piece for someone who has been quiet since his release and hasn't mentioned or pursued justice don't ya think?

I need say no more as this just about covers what I was going to respond with.

Hmmm, weird. I typed the terrorists name in the search bar for any history and didn't come up with anything other than what I mentioned. Must not have been too important, heck I even drilled down three web pages, oh well.

Cheaper in the long run to pay out cash to a terrorist than disclose intel at the scmucks hearing. According to your article he's still on a watch list. Fine with me.

His Wikipedia page contains most of the details tribesmen mentioned there's plenty of reference material linked off that. You still using AltaVista as your search engine? :D