There's been an urban legend floating around about Texas, now I never verified it, and just called it "Americana" But if 3 people witness your crime in Texas then you get an express lane to death row.

Now I never verified it, but it or something like it makes sense.

I do not want to pay for these guys to become lawyers in jail, when the victims if they were still alive, would have to pay 25k a year for the same thing.

What irks me is not the sentence itself, but how well they have it inside. School, food, warm bed, trade skill learning, there are honest Americans who would like that training and treatment, without having to literally kill for it.

All free, all you have to do is commit a crime.

Jailing people for life is less a deterrent, than dying IMHO.

I understand you want to be sure, but there are cases when we are sure.....And nothing is done, but coddle them, school them, feed them, pay for them to be married in jail, sleep them, pay for security on them, etc...when they should just be killed lawfully.

(late edit: Charles Manson, comes to mind)

Oh I am not disagreeing with you on it's disagree-ability. I'm just saying that the more you rush to save yourself a few tax bucks the more likely you'll execute innocent people doing it.

Either solution requires the impossible, that we are able to separate feelings from the dispensation of law.

Humankind is flawed in that manner, which is why I do get the anti DP lobby, and why I get the pro lobby.

I skew more towards the side of pro, though I acknowledge mistakes are made, due to once again human conditions with the trial.

Whats the old quote? About letting 100 go just to save one innocent one, the person who said that didn't have the 100 they let go in thier neighborhood.:D

Why does it make sense?
A witness can make a false statement that seems believable, either by mistake or deliberately.

If they were not sure then there wouldn't have been a guilty verdict.
How do you separate the ones where they are sure of from the ones they are sure of?

What is the purpose of incarceration/death penalty?

Punishment or revenge?

or Both, neither?:hmmm:

Punishment like the law clearly states would be my answer.

I'll say one thing for the death penalty. It's is the only iron clad anti recidivist criminal penalty there is. :yep:

Errrrr....no it isn't.

im pretty sure dead people don't commit anymore crimes, except maybe you could say they are litter

Life without parole does the same, so its not the "only" as was claimed.
Plus if you execute the wrong person you have done nothing to stop the actual criminal from committing more crimes. So it isn't "iron clad" either.
So.
Errrrr....no it isn't:yep:

No such thing. There's always a chance they'll be released for one reason or another, or escape.

That is the only real argument against the death penalty. Not the actual criminal committing more crimes, or we wouldn't have the old saying "better ten guilty men walk free than one innocent man be punished". Imprisoning the wrong man doesn't stop the criminal from committing more crimes either, so that half of your argument is invalid.

So...yes it is. :yep:

Just kill everyone. Problem solved. :yeah:

If life without parole means life without parole then it does on the release front.

That is the only argument that is needed, that has been established and accepted, and cannot be countered, yet people still argue for the death penalty despite accepting that fact.

Not invalid at all, the claim was focused on "only" and "cast iron", yet clearly it was neither.
The fact that the alterantives are also not the "only" or "cast iron" does not remove the invalidity of the original statement.

So....no it isn't.

Not to mention kill a fellow prisoner or a guard. Plenty of time for it to happen with a life sentence.

Plenty of time for that while waiting years on death row.
Though of course neither would be recidivist crimes would they.

Death row is solitary confinement. Not easy for them to obtain something that can be made into a weapon, and they are probably dealt with with at least 2 guards whenever they need to be dealt with in person.