its not fascist when you find yourself in a "me of him" situation. I dont care what delusions he is suffering from when it comes down to "me or him" I'll cure all of his ailments on one moment if i have to no matter how fascist it sounds

I think GoldenRiviet means solve the mental health issues in other ways not just kill every mentally ill person just because.We do have very poor access to mental health in this country.There are a lot of people that had mental illness that did something violent before they ever received any real treatment.That is a problem I understand that a good number of people in prison are there because they committed a crime while mentally ill then they are in a regular prison which does not do them much good no doubt and they will be getting out sooner or later unless they have a life sentence.

If we had better mental health care in this country it would solve a lot of problems with crime in general it would at least reduce the number of mentally ill people committing crimes and also greatly reduce the number people going on mass killing sprees.Used to be people that if you had a certain level of mental illness you where put into an institution now there is very little of this and these people get no help or very little.Some live in half way houses and are in open society when they cant handle it.In my county this woman that was a catatonic schizophric got hit by a car and died because she was having an episode and walked into the street she had been staying at a half way house at the time.In most areas the local law enforcement has to spend a lot of time dealing with these people who are not dangerous to others but are sometimes to themselves or do things that require the police to come and take them home.



If someone is in the act of causing violent action to others then you do have no choice but to use deadly force against them the same as a person that is fully aware of what they are doing.

this

throughout the lat 1970s we saw massive closings of mental health facilities. The government saw fit to treat all mental illness on an outpatient basis.:shifty:

people who should have access to such care, now are without it, or are dealing with substandard care.

the results are pitiful

Not to mention the fact that military people, unless deployed in a war zone, are the most unarmed group of Americans there is besides maybe convicts and liberal teachers.

The problem is the government institutions were crap. No one was getting treated. It was sub-substandard care. This is the reason for closures. Plus the monetary expense. Good luck with Obamacare right?

which is why i think they should have been reformed instead of just closed down.

Government reform? Not going to happen. The path of least resistance was shutting them down plus it saved huge dividends. The government is not a health professional and we are going to repeat history with Obamacare

Nice one.

I think a lot of reform will be successful based on the method of presentation. The public image of mental wards is not a positive one.

So just about half the gun homicides as California in spite of California having some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Kinda shows that gun control does not work to reduce gun crime.

Another problem there is that the people who need that care the most don't usually believe they do, so they don't seek it. recognizing and isolating their problems is very hard to do.

And no, I don't claim to have an answer for that one. Everything seems to be "after the fact" in these situations.

Clearly the proliferation of firearms isn't a deterent either. So, maybe we should be looking elsewhere for solutions.

This is a understatement. The mental wards from what I recall were atrocious.

Right only the MPs or SPs on a military base are armed at all times.The only time I ever had a weapon anywhere near me in the US or Germany was during qualifying which was once a year and during training exercises where we used the MILES gear and then its all blanks anyway.Even if someone has a combat job they only have live ammo rarely during live fire training.I guess people that are unaware just assume that the military is just everyone toting a weapon all the time.

I don't about convicts they have their shivs and such.

So are you saying that neither proliferation nor additional control measures are the right thing to do?

Am I wrong?

The fact is Takeda, you choose to be unarmed. You choose to put up signs announcing to the entire world that you are unarmed. It is small wonder that these nuts target you. They never take on people who might be able to fight back. Ever hear of a mass murder at a rifle range? Ever hear of a mass murder at a NRA convention?