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Tribesman 12-14-12 08:12 PM

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Yes they do.
Yes and No.
Yes for people already convicted and waiting on death row.
No for anyone else convicted for crimes since spring when it was abolished.

geetrue 12-14-12 08:47 PM

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Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung was one of the slain:

The longtime educator's career seemed to be peaking when she became principal two years ago of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, which has 525 pupils from kindergarten to fourth grade.
That is one big school 525 students ... they need comforting and counceling over this for sure. If we can't figure it out ... how can they ever figure out what happened?

The shooter shot his mother in her home near the school. She was a teacher at the Sandy Hook school and then he stole her guns which were all registered to her, before he went on his shooting spree.

Sad, tragic, nothing we can do for the dead, but pray for their parents and the poor children and adults that witnessed it.

At least the shooter didn't purchase the guns used, but you know the cries to limit what a citzen can have and how many you can have ... will have already started.

Stealhead 12-14-12 09:02 PM

525 students is not really that large that is around the average for a grade school these days in the US and some high schools have over 2,000 students in larger cities.I grew up in small town and there where about 600 kids in my grade school K-5 that was in the late 70's early 80's.

Why does it make a difference how he acquired the guns to be honest?I have feeling that this event is going to have an effect on gun laws in some way like it or not even though this issue is more complex than just firearms.Though to be honest even being a gun owner myself there a lot of things that I don't really see as something anyone really needs like the high capacity pistol magazines for example Glock makes a 33 rounder no one needs that and no one needs a 75,50,or 100 round drum magazine for a rifle either.

Takeda Shingen 12-14-12 09:16 PM

500-600 is pretty average for a public elementary school.

RickC Sniper 12-14-12 09:28 PM

This tragedy simply broke my heart today. There has been too much of this kind of insanity lately and perhaps the saddest part is that there will be more to come.

Armistead 12-14-12 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1975913)
525 students is not really that large that is around the average for a grade school these days in the US and some high schools have over 2,000 students in larger cities.I grew up in small town and there where about 600 kids in my grade school K-5 that was in the late 70's early 80's.

Why does it make a difference how he acquired the guns to be honest?I have feeling that this event is going to have an effect on gun laws in some way like it or not even though this issue is more complex than just firearms.Though to be honest even being a gun owner myself there a lot of things that I don't really see as something anyone really needs like the high capacity pistol magazines for example Glock makes a 33 rounder no one needs that and no one needs a 75,50,or 100 round drum magazine for a rifle either.

Yea, this is gonna turn into a gun issue, but the simple truth will remain, any criminal can get guns, clips, bullets they want, etc...to commit a crime. You could saw off two shotguns, take the plugs out and throw them over each shoulder and do as much damage. We've been a gun culture since our creation, hundreds of millions of guns out there, no law will change it.

CaptainMattJ. 12-14-12 11:48 PM

Absolutely horrible.

But again, the issue is the same. Do you think a psycho willing to go to this length to commit atrocities will abide by a gun law? since when have psychos and criminals alike ever cared about abiding by the law? It would only drive the market into the underground even further, with more illegal suppliers. Banning guns outright will solve little for crimes like these. In fact it may just drive people to use other weapons, as Britain's high knife crime rate shows.

stricter guns laws can still be easily surpassed. It's not hard to be a future criminal and still pass the credentials needed to own weaponry. Besides, this guy stole it from his (presumably) sane mother, who he shot.

Armistead 12-15-12 01:06 AM

What I find interesting is all these guns belonged to the mother. It's usually not typical for a mother/teacher to have such weapons as a 223 assault type rifle and two pistols. She had to know her child was suffering from mental issues, making having such guns even more strange. I hope that her ill son didn't convince her to buy them for him as a hoppy, etc...

Something about her having these guns just doesn't make sense to me.

Stealhead 12-15-12 01:53 AM

Why would that be strange for a teacher to own firearms? That does not seem unusual to me.Is it strange for a baker to own a gun or a dentist?

We do not know what the story is here the young man might never have displayed a single behavior to imply that he had a mental illness.Perhaps he lived on his own he was 20 years old and simply showed up at the mothers house that seems likely to me or that eh lived there but never before gave a reason for the mother to suspect that her son had some illness.People tend to assume that every spree killer just had issues for years how could they miss it?The media likes this angle I think because it gives an explanation the person must have been whacked out for years.

Maybe not maybe the person just went over the edge of whatever in the weeks prior to the incident and no one close to them noticed any change most likely a person with such intent would make great efforts hide that had such plans.

I do not agree with the ban every gun thing but to say that something else is as deadly as a firearm is a false hood.A firearm is very deadly and makes killing very easy and at close range a person does not even have to be very accurate to kill.There is a reason why the gun become the weapon of choice over time that reason is because it is a very easy to use and very effective killing tool.

Armistead 12-15-12 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1975982)
Why would that be strange for a teacher to own firearms? That does not seem unusual to me.Is it strange for a baker to own a gun or a dentist?

We do not know what the story is here the young man might never have displayed a single behavior to imply that he had a mental illness.Perhaps he lived on his own he was 20 years old and simply showed up at the mothers house that seems likely to me or that eh lived there but never before gave a reason for the mother to suspect that her son had some illness.People tend to assume that every spree killer just had issues for years how could they miss it?The media likes this angle I think because it gives an explanation the person must have been whacked out for years.

Maybe not maybe the person just went over the edge of whatever in the weeks prior to the incident and no one close to them noticed any change most likely a person with such intent would make great efforts hide that had such plans.

I do not agree with the ban every gun thing but to say that something else is as deadly as a firearm is a false hood.A firearm is very deadly and makes killing very easy and at close range a person does not even have to be very accurate to kill.There is a reason why the gun become the weapon of choice over time that reason is because it is a very easy to use and very effective killing tool.

It's not typical for a woman to own such guns, though some surely do. They're several clear reports from the shooters friends that he is "mentally challenged" and suffered from several disorders. Based on that, it certainly doesn't make sense for her to have such guns since he was living with her. It doesn't make sense on too many levels.....

Stealhead 12-15-12 02:31 AM

I disagree on the gun ownership deal plenty of women own handguns such as a Glock 17 or 19 and plenty also own Sigs and plenty of women own M4s or similar rifles.Your stereotyping to some extent.You would be surprised what many women own these days.

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story...8#.UMwpHuTLTfg

Until I hear the actual law enforcement report on this matter any other report is purely hearsay.

BossMark 12-15-12 03:23 AM

My heart goes to all the the family's involved in this terrible crime, and I agree with what Jim said in an earlier post.
"Hell must have a special place for filth like this".

Jimbuna 12-15-12 03:34 AM

Not really wanting to get involved with that hot potato the gun debate that is ongoing in America but I firmly believe it is the gun owner and not the weapon that should be considered.

HunterICX 12-15-12 04:40 AM

Tragic...terribly tragic.
I'm at a lost of words on this one :nope:

HunterICX

Aces 12-15-12 06:08 AM

So sad, can't find the words to say more.

Our thoughts are with the families.

Kind regards

Leigh (Aces)


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