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Cybermat47 11-21-12 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1964133)
He once told Adolf Galland whose younger brother had just been KIA that day in an action with P-47s (Galland was reporting the presence of P-47s in German airspace for the first time) That Galland was a liar and that no American aircraft had penetrated German airspace.

Imagine hearing that after you know for a fact that your own brother had just been killed.

In my opinion, Germany would have won the war if Galland was head of the Luftwaffe.

Not only was he a fighter ace, but a superb strategist as well.

August 11-21-12 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1964015)
Yes, but he did conquer Poland, the low countries, France, the Channel Islands, Ukraine, Greece, and many other countries.

Dontcha just love politicians taking credit for everything.

He didn't conquer Poland any more than Obama killed bin Laden. Those countries were conquered by the German Army with it's excellent field leaders. Not some syphilitic ex-corporal turned dictator hiding in a Berlin bunker.

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What I was saying was that when Goering had things almost completely under his command, he lost.
Yes he sure did. Switching to bombing cities when he had the RAF on it's heels was a foolish mistake. Of course hitler believing that he could make peace with the British after Dunkirk was just as foolish as was declaring war on the United States.

Stealhead 11-21-12 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1964139)
In my opinion, Germany would have won the war if Galland was head of the Luftwaffe.

Not only was he a fighter ace, but a superb strategist as well.

I disagree by the time Galland had any real power it was already too late and the pilot rotation system in Germany was poorly set up meaning that many skilled pilot that could have been rotated back to train others never got the chance.As far as I am aware he had no issue with the rotation system.

If you overall military strategy is poor you will never win even if you have a lot of good generals Germany lost the war because the top leadership was stupid.One good general wont change that
and Germany during WWII is proof of this. When Germany declared war on the Soviet Union they pretty much sealed their fate.

Cybermat47 11-21-12 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1964144)
Dontcha just love politicians taking credit for everything.

He didn't conquer Poland any more than Obama killed bin Laden. Those countries were conquered by the German Army with it's excellent field leaders. Not some syphilitic ex-corporal turned dictator hiding in a Berlin bunker

Actually, Hitler came up with the strategies for invading Poland, the low Countries and France, and was actually on the front line during the bombing of Warsaw.

He also singlehandedly came up with the idea of invading Russia...:D

Oberon 11-21-12 07:09 PM

I don't think they'd have won the war, but the Luftwaffe would certainly have done better. It was Hitler that ordered the shift to city bombing, not Der Dicke, and Hitler who ordered the 262 to be converted to a fighter-bomber, not Goering.
Galland might have been able to persuade Hitler to drop some of his more fantastical ideas, but the problems from the top would still roll down hill and the Fuhrers moods were notorious.

Oberon 11-21-12 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1964150)
Actually, Hitler came up with the strategies for invading Poland, the low Countries and France, and was actually on the front line during the bombing of Warsaw.

He also singlehandedly came up with the idea of invading Russia...:D

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Gerald 11-21-12 07:14 PM

^Yes, some text above....? :hmm2:

Oberon 11-21-12 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1964133)
He once told Adolf Galland whose younger brother had just been KIA that day in an action with P-47s (Galland was reporting the presence of P-47s in German airspace for the first time) That Galland was a liar and that no American aircraft had penetrated German airspace.

Imagine hearing that after you know for a fact that your own brother had just been killed.

Indeed, the guy was an idiot, a pretty good pilot (in a biplane) but a self-important fool with delusions of grandeur. Whenever something didn't go his way, accusations of cowardice were the first things to come from Goerings office, including one particularly vehement order given to forces in Sicily that they were all failures because they were being beaten by the Allies.

August 11-21-12 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1964150)
Actually, Hitler came up with the strategies for invading Poland, the low Countries and France, and was actually on the front line during the bombing of Warsaw.

He also singlehandedly came up with the idea of invading Russia...:D

Yeah he came up with the idea, heck you and I can come up with similar hair brained schemes too and as for grand strategies I personally have invaded Poland many times in all kinds of games both online and board, but it's a long step from fantasy to reality. I believe that no way would hitlers plans to sweep over the continent have worked if it wasn't for the Generals making it happen.

Cybermat47 11-21-12 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1964170)
Yeah he came up with the idea, heck you and I can come up with similar hair brained schemes too and as for grand strategies I personally have invaded Poland many times in all kinds of games both online and board, but it's a long step from fantasy to reality. I believe that no way would hitlers plans to sweep over the continent have worked if it wasn't for the Generals making it happen.

His Generals actually hated his ideas, specifically the ones that resulted in quick and easy victory for the Nazis. However, they reluctantly went along with his ideas.

August 11-21-12 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1964176)
His Generals actually hated his ideas, specifically the ones that resulted in quick and easy victory for the Nazis. However, they reluctantly went along with his ideas.

That's an even better testament to the skill and professionalism of the German Generals i'd say. It takes true brilliance to find ways to make bad ideas work. Anyone who has worked for a bad boss knows what i'm talking about.

Cybermat47 11-21-12 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1964178)
That's an even better testament to the skill and professionalism of the German Generals i'd say. It takes true brilliance to find ways to make bad ideas work. Anyone who has worked for a bad boss knows what i'm talking about.

OK, fair enough.

I'm going to look up pictures of cats now.

Gerald 11-22-12 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1964179)
OK, fair enough.

I'm going to look up pictures of cats now.

Say hello to the cats, from me :)

Stealhead 11-22-12 11:52 AM

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Gerald 11-22-12 03:29 PM

^ The cats looking good,:yep:


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