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10-18-12 01:36 AM |
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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.
(Post 1949422)
Also, Stealth is even easier to obtain in space. If you can hide heat and radiation signatures youll be invisible, absolutely. the vastness of space is the ultimate assistance to what would be the submarines of the future.
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But you can't hide your heat and radiation signature; the heat will (excepting any major discovery that can violate the Laws of Thermodynamics) have to go somewhere, and when it does, everyone can see you.
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Originally Posted by August
(Post 1949429)
Wouldn't that depend on your altitude and velocity? Communications satellites in a Clarke belt orbit can maintain a geostationary position over a part of the Earth without having to apply thrust so it's seems to me that if you reverse the direction of travel one could stay on one side of a planet (orbit-stationary?) without that much effort at all.
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No, if you go into geostationary orbit in the other direction you're still going to make the trip all the way around the planet in 24 hours. The only difference is that the surface will rotate in the other direction from you.
There are only two ways I can think of where you can stay motionless relative to a planet: Either using a Solar Lagrange point, in which case you are way, way too far away from the planet hide behind it, or not actually being in orbit (that is, being above a planet with null horizontal velocity), meaning you have to constantly apply thrust to counter the gravity pulling you down. In either case, that still assumes you're at that position to begin with and the enemy isn't looking from multiple directions, otherwise you are toast.
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Originally Posted by Oberon
(Post 1949436)
Here's one for the hard science dudes...it's probably easily proven wrong because I'm tired and was just about to get into bed when I thought of this...but couldn't we take a leaf from submarines and use a double hull?
The internal hull would radiate heat from the crew and power source, but the external hull (connected to the internal by non-conductive materials) would have a vacuum buffer between it and the internal hull, and since space is a good insulator, the heat radiated by the internal hull wouldn't reach the external hull which (in theory) would stay the same temperature as the vacuum around it.
Of course, that doesn't get rid of the problem with the heat generated by the drive system, but the radiant hull temperature problem might be solved.
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Vacuum is a good insulator from convection, not from radiation, which is why you're using that method to get rid of heat in the first place. So the outer hull will absorb the radiation from the inner hull and will radiate it into outer space just the same.
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Originally Posted by Oberon
(Post 1949436)
Also, since infrared is an electromagnetic radiation we can also bend that, like we can bend light, with metamaterials, heck, we can even bend gamma radiation now, but whether you'd be able to bend the exhaust radiation enough that it would become undetectable is another matter...
Hard science dudes, over to you, I'm off to bed now I've gotten this out of my head...if I'd have left it till tomorrow morning I'd have forgotten it...really must start leaving a notepad on my bedside table...
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Wouldn't that only work if you have this metamaterial right between your exhaust and the target? I don't think that's very practical, even assuming it is possible. Of course, that will still only relocate the problem somewhere else...
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