Why are you not supposed to? What is stopping you? I am curious as to your viewpoint which is anti-zionist and yet not anti-semitic.
I'd like to consider myself as educated, although I am always willing to learn more, no one person can know the answer to everything, no matter how much they claim to.
However, I think that what you attribute to being a purely Jewish matter is in fact a global phenomenon. There is little difference between stating that America is run by Jewish Zionist warmongers aiming to bring Islam to its knees than there is saying that America is being lead by a Muslim who is trying to deliver America to the Islamic hordes and its destruction. I have witnessed variations on both of these 'statements' on both here and the internet. It is, in fact, little different to saying that the President is a Communist or the President is a Fascist. It's all one side stating that the other is wrong, and that they are inferior because of it, and it's precisely this kind of attitude that starts fights, and wars.
This is how I, a man who has spent his short life on this earth, reading books, reading the internet, and watching society, see matters.
There is no black.
There is no white.
There are only variations of what people believe the above to be, and where there are contradictions there are arguments, and where there are arguments there are fights, sides taken, lines drawn, guns pointed.
There is no Zionist conspiracy, there is no Muslim conspiracy, just people on either side painting up horror stories to scare people into believing them, and the more that people believe them, the stronger either side becomes.
It is human nature to do this, it is the ugly side of ourselves that we have never conquered, and I strongly suspect, never will, more that we have let it conquer ourselves. Religion, politics, it's all just a shield we wieve to put in front of the true reason that we kill each other.
It's in our nature, just as it is in our nature to love, it is in our nature to hate. It's down to us to decide what to do, not some Imam, or some internet forum...it's not even down to me to tell you what to do.
You have free will, you have the choice.
Choose wisely.

So what do you mean by that....?
What zionism is in your opinion?

Well put sir, pretty much the same as how I see it.

HunterICX

He is trying to claim he isn't a nazi bigot and simply has problems with some Israeli policies.:rotfl2:
Simple isn't it.

Well since he praises the "great works" of the amazing Ford you can put it together easily.
Fords pile of crap borrowed extensivelty from that olderpile of crap the protocols.
Since the protocols sets out the loony theories of the far right anti semites and their vision of zionism it should be pretty definitive. So tie it back to Ford and what does he write? ...its the jews the jews the jews the jews the jews and errrr ....its the jews the jews the jews the jews and the jews. 4 whole "masterpieces" where the only theme is "its the jews"

So when Alex says he is anti zionist he just means he hates jews

Man, you won't get any attention with this kind of post. Subversive ways of thinking get the attention of people. Yours is the one of a servile guy on the payroll of Zionism. Go back to bed. Poor Tribesman.

Because I still have to read quite some books on the subject, and therefore still can't pretend to have a reasonably good overview on this matter. As to what is Zionism ? I just don't even know whether or not I'll be able to bring a proper reply to that question at any time later.
You also can find anti-zionist Jews (making text bigger for you to be able to read this part of one of my last posts).
Also,
I must say I do not care much about anyone's curiosity (with all due respect to you, Ob'). And I am not supposed to let you know where I do stand because I definitely could be wrong when admitting everyone should protect himself from Zionism : all sources I've got to find myself may be corrupted in some way. So you should better do your own search on the subject to get a glimpse of values of what you consider to be no more than a nationalism. I do not HAVE to tell you what your way of thinking is supposed to be. Nor do I have to ask you for believing in anything I've got to say. You absolutely don't have to believe me, and definitely are entitled to be able to make up your mind on what to think about this matter for yourself.

That is right.
Do you really want to consider yourself as educated ?
There is one and only way making you able to do so.
My posts in this thread have got to catch your attention ? Fine !
Now just do NOT care any more about anything I've got to say so far, and go to your own local public library and basically start making some use of your own brain, in order for you not to remain this kind of errant erratic mind always waiting for everything to fall right into its lap.

Just one more reason to nuke them :know:

Alex, unlike Tribesman I'm not going to dismiss you off the bat, because I believe that, like Skybird, you have an educated mind behind you, and certainly I will not deny that there are elements of Zionism in this world, were there not then the word would not have come into creation. Where you and I differ is on the relevence we place upon it. You put the same sort of relevence on Zionism and its evils as some people put upon Islam and its accused evils.
I have absolutely no doubt that there are anti-zionist Jews, and many of them live in America and many of them live in Israel, I have seen pictures of protests by Jewish communities in Washington shortly after Israel boarded that ship headed for Palestinian territory. Good for them, I say.
You are also correct in doubting your sources, a good healthy inquisitive mind, and you are open to the possibility that you may be incorrect, just as I am. I dare say that we will not find all the answers to the questions we ask in our lifetime, and if there is such a thing as a large zionist conspiracy in the western governments, there is very little chance that we will find out about it.

As for what Zionism is...well, I generally start my searches with wikipedia...it may not be the most accurate of answers, but it generally gives a good idea of what direction to head in.
Wikipedia defines Zionism as:

Other sites describe it as:
Or:
However, a common trend between all three definitions is that Zionism is a form of belief that Israel is a land for the Jews.
If you were to exchange Israel for Germany and Jews for Germans, you'd get a similar style of belief to fascist Germany or even that of the English Defence League "England for the English" as I have oft heard...of course they struggle to define just what 'English' is, but I digress.
The theory that one portion of people are superior to another by the location of their birthplace is not a new one, nor are historical claims to land territory. They are excuses used by dozens of nations throughout history, call it lebensraum, call it manifest destiny, or just good old fashioned imperialism. At the end of the day it boils down to one nation asserting itself over others.
That's fair enough, and I agree that more needs to be done to address the Palestinian question, just as many believed before 1948 that more needed to be done to address the Jewish question. Unfortunately in this state of fear that we live in, this is not likely to take place.

So, where does that leave us? Well, Alex, again I find myself unable to corrolate your supportive viewpoints of nationalism in the form of the works of Henry Ford and Mauras and your opposing viewpoint of Jewish nationalism in the form of zionism. However, despite this inability to correlate I conclude that you have a strong belief, just as some here have about Iran, Muslims and President Obama, and I respect your right to have that belief, and I also respect your acknowledgement of the potential for your belief to be incorrect, and like myself and Skybird in regards to Muslims I think we will have to agree to disagree for the time being.

The only thing that I would say, in parting, is that as you do your reading from the library or from the internet, keep...as I am sure you do...an open mind, try to see things from both perspectives, and try not to get drawn into taking sides, because both sides may be right, or both sides may be wrong. :salute:

I think the Israeli posting in this topic is currently pissing his pants laughing at your silly nonsense.
You just showed youreself to be even dumber than the average nazi:up:
What is it with dumb nazis ? zeewolf said I was a rabbi and now Alex says I am paid by the global jewish conpiracy:doh:

People with those views are easy to dismiss off the bat as their views are old tired and well taken apart for what they are.
Read the international jew, if he had an educated mind he would understand it for what it is, instead he swallowed it.

There is a possibility of alien conspiracy with in western government.It is also very unlikely we will find about unless someone like agent Mulder(?) comes along.
Actually there is possibility of any possibility.

Please tell me where Zionism speaks about superiority of Jews.

Hey MH, it's not my fault if the CIA or whatever doesn't do its job properly, ROFL. You're definitely not supposed to be able to watch this kind of thing.
Even though you may have done your best until now asking me questions in order to unsettle myself, I've always been polite and honest with you, replying you in the best way I was able to. It is now obvious to everyone that everything you're trying to do is slashing that little frog while you just don't have any solid argumentation to oppose my own stance. Who the hell do you think I am, dude, some supposed iranian propaganda minister speaking ill about the united states of America while trying to get your own Revolution to happen in your country ? That would indeed be good for you American People to get your very own popular slash and burn uprising in order to get most of your so-called authorities wiped off the map ! But this is not my goal here and now.

Everyone's got to see that it wasn't, but yourself apparently. You all and I are indeed supposed to be part of the same social class, you know. And while I admit that the reading I've gone through for these last months definitely is not everyone's cup of tea, I just wish everyone to feel the wish to get familiar with that stuff, in order to learn from it. Is that asking too much from you ?

Of course, keep going that way, Tribesman, if you feel that it is the right thing to do now.
Feel free to say all the bad things you wish of me. And don't tell me now that you've said everything you were able to. Just feel free to go all the way and tell everyone about everything you think about me, and WHY (everyone's waiting for you on that stance, Sir ! So show everyone how far your rhetoric can go, and how much I can be wrong thinking the way I do !)

But let me say that talking to you the way I did until now, I certainly consider yourself a better way than most nations consider their own citizen, as the only goal I've got there is to set your mind free from the everyday bull**** you get to hear about at tv. You want to think that what I say may be justified in some way ? Good !
You want to let that stuff aside because you consider myself as a revolutionary facka ? No problem ! Feel free to do so ! The only thing I need you to do as an individual is no more than to take in consideration that way of thinking that is mine, with which you just can feel free to disagree, I absolutely don't care about that.


Just as a little note : this one is the very very first thread in which I've been standing up for Mr Ahmadinejad on an international forum based in the US.
And I've got that stuff doing biiiiiiiiiig circles around the house for a long part of the afternoon (with the exact same camera on the head). ROFLMAO.
Do you think I should be afraid ? :hmmm: :rotfl2:

Edit
Just in case anything happens, I just want it to be known that I feel good these days, I am healthy, I've got no enemy in real life, I certainly DON'T PLAN TO DELETE ANY OF MY POSTS BY MYSELF and I intend to log into this forum a few times a week.

@ Oberon : will reply your post in my next post. :up:

Indeed so, a myriad of possibilities, each one with its own merits and demerits, and each one difficult to prove or disprove conclusively.

Zionism itself does not, although it can encourage people who follow it to believe in such things, it's all in how it is interpreted, like many things in life.
What it all boils down to, at the end of the day, is less the concept but more the way that people view it and mould it into what they believe. Just like how radical Muslims use the Qu'ran as their excuse for violence, and the Crusaders of old used the bible as theirs. :yep:

Yesterday was Columbus Day in the US. Was this a celebration of Italian superiority? It certainly does encourage pride in having Italian ancestery.

Touché, Touché, like I said though, it depends on how people interpret things, and for the most part people just accept it as what it is, a celebration of a nation, although there's always a small minority who take things too far, but thankfully it's a minority. :yep:

Why? people need to go no further than ford to see you for what you are.
Anyone with a functioning brain can easily identify your views as nothing but pure unadulterated hatred of jews and nothing else.
You seem to be labouring under the delusion that you have some special wisdom because you read something, other people read that crap too and know its crap, you just didn't understand what it was you read.
Just as a demonstration of crap you swallowed and so people don't have to put up with pitying looks of despair finding it at the library or bookstore here is the text you think is the glorious truth.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_In...remost_Problem
Would you like his source material from the laughable protocols too so people can see the extent of the bile you swallowed?

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
you really are shooting blind.

I don't consider you as anything but a sad deluded unthinking neo nazi.

So what? I have stood up for him on numerous occasions on this forum over specific things, but he is still a dumb fool of a bigoted excuse of a politician representing a depraved and corrupt regime and I havn't stood up for him simply because I hate jews and Americans like you do.

Lots of people are familiar with it, which is why your views can be instantly dismissed as the vile rubbish they are.
Its so funny, after you last topic ranting about jews I didn't expect you to be silly enough to come back and try selling the "international jew" as a source of learning, then again neo nazis ain't exactly known for their cerebal functions are they:doh: