Meanwhile, on a sidenote:

German businessmen unwelcome in postwar Libya

Interesting experiences that should not be a surprise, and an illustration of how some Westerners - these two Germans for exyample - still have very strange, messianic illusions about what the Libyans want and understand as "freedom" and "liberty".

:D

So a bloke who was doing business with Daffy for years and whose friends opposed the rebels are not getting deals with a new Libyan bloke who came back from exile in France with French backing because the deals are going to the French:yawn:

After victory, the country, which destroyed infrastructures of his enemy (in order to win) deals with their rebuilding.

The war is mainly paid by the citizens (with their contributions, and sometimes with their blood). And reconstruction too (with their contributions).

But peace profits mainly to some quite selected companies.

About Irak, the "winners"were Halliburton and Bechtel (... and DynCorp).

About Lybia, the "winners"will be Vinci and Total (... and Alcatel-Lucent).

Always "The Blood of Oil", as General Gallois said ...

Video... :nope:

How very noble of those brave and fearless warriors :nope:

Spit.

At the same time, in Europe especially the Protestant chruch sells churches it can no longer fill, and some of them are beign turned into mosques - which from Islam's perspective is an expression of submission and defeat, inviting it to push for more.

But now imagine, just imagine for a moment it would happen the other way around. Islamc claism that every piece of soil that was ever touched by it, is it'S own, forever until the end of time. And then somebody would desecreate a Muslim cemetary inEurope, or even commit an act claimed to be offensive! Collective, murderous hysteria all arouind! Around the world flags would burn, people would burn, crowds would march in the streets, Western nations would be condemned politicians would feel pressed to assure how sorry they are and that Islam is oh so good a friend and so precious and noble and neighbours and friendship and wonderful and peace and tolerance and multiculti...

From the perspectove back then the German were rightfully attacked to have refused to fight with The French and British in Libya and siding with Russia and China. The German motives were completely isled and wrong, the decision by Westerwelle based on false (idiotic) arguments. But when I see how things have gone in Libya since Gaddafhi is dead and the real nature of the former "opposition", an d now behaviour like this, and the way they torture African foreigners over mere, unproven suspicions of that they foguht for Libya (where it is quite obvious in most cases the the persons in question did not and were just guest workers), then I must conclude that without wanting it and without having known it for the real reasons, the Germans nevertheless probably made the right decision to stay out of that mess-in-a-dark-hole.

Say about the Chinese what they want, but they already were around for a thousand and more years when Rome was born, and when Rome died a thousand years later, they still were there, and another thousand years later they took a short nap, and now they come back once again. And they have learned to follow a policy of strictly staying out of internal conflicts of other people and states.

Since some years we have been witnessing many reasons why we should start to see the wisdom in that.

Absolute scum.

You mean like imagine some cathedrals in spain that used to be mosques....nah can't imagine that ever happening at all :doh:

It already happened. But after the "Reconquista", mosques became again churches and cathedrals.

For how long still ???

Really, wow , you had better tell Skybird :rotfl2:

Well its been a thousand years so far down there hasn't it, do you think it will suddenly change by next tuesday perhaps?

It better happen after the Siesta though.

HunterICX

A thousand years ?

Not exactly. Last part of occupied Spain was liberated (or reconquered) circa 1492. Greece was liberated in 1830 (after 500 years of Turkish occupation). Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania, only in 1878.

Armenians were definitively liberated by Turkey in 1915.

Next tuesday ?

Not exactly. Muslims needed only 5 years (711 to 716) to occupy territories of the current Spain and Portugal. But they couldn't go further in north (blocked in 732 at Poitiers, a French town).

But a difference : Muslims don't need now to conquer churches, because they are welcomed by irresponsable people and some such religious buildings (as said by Skybird) are given or sold to them.

A another (large) difference : Muslims are already present and numerous in whole Europe (England, Sweden, France, Germany, Italia ...). And some European irresponsable politicians want that Turkey (now leaded by a practically fundamentalist Prime Minister) enter EU !!!

Difficult to stop them now in a small town in the south of France ...

And this process will accelerate : bad (but republican, then not religious) dictators in Muslim countries (Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Irak) prevented the progression of fundamentalism and its intention to re-conquer Europe. Some of them (Tunisia, Lybia) prevented the arrival of a great multitude of Muslims in Europe.

Still an effort and the last "Muslim but republican" dictator in the area (Bashar al-Assad) will be disappear.

Next tuesday ?

No, rather tomorrow ...

Yes, a thousand years.

You mean this "imaginary" future thing Sky wants people to worry about has actually continued during the past thousand years.:doh:
Blimey, mosques have been turned into churches and it didn't make a global caliphate of the fundy nutty flavour

What exactly?
If you are wishing to respond to a point address the point.

What difference in relation to the point?

The point?

O'Reilly?
First you need to establish what on earth it is you are trying to stop as at the moment it looks just like scaremongering paranoia a la Skystyle

Proof?

Don't you mean Alawite Ba'athist not muslim republican

Is that chicken little or asterix?

How many people have been killed in riots in the West due to the desecration of graves in Libya?

How many were killed because some already desecrated korans were incinerated?

Just a reality check.

I know what I would like to do these tossers who did this

Mañana.