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1480 12-05-11 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800114)
December 5th 1941

Japanese ambassador assures the U.S. government that her troop movements in French Indochina are only precautionary.

Destroyer escorts of the Japanese Singapore invasion fleet board and smash the radio of a Neutral Norwegian freighter.

USS Lexington (CV-2), TF 12 leaves Pearl Harbor to ferry USMC dive bombers to Midway island.27ea Japanese troop transports are preparing to depart from Taiwan in the morning, bound for the Philippine Islands.

Japanese submarines arrive at their patrol positions around Hawaii.

What no mention of the great conspiracy that FDR knew of the attack on PH but did nothing to stop it, so congress would declare war......:DL

Oberon 12-05-11 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1480 (Post 1800142)
What no mention of the great conspiracy that FDR knew of the attack on PH but did nothing to stop it, so congress would declare war......:DL

Don't even go there...please... :har:

1480 12-05-11 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1800153)
Don't even go there...please... :har:

Someone had to :yeah:

Oberon 12-05-11 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1799995)
Sounds like someone only heard the first sentence. :DL

Aye, if they had listened a bit more to Yamamoto then things could have been so much more different. He was a wise man...not perfect, nobody is that...but he knew more than most of the Imperial Japanese elite that war with America was a suicidal decision, no matter how many losses you inflict on the US Navy, they will rebuild, faster and stronger than Japan could match.
But no, they went ahead anyway and as a servant to the Emperor all Yamamoto could do was make the best of it, and no matter how you view the attack on Pearl Harbour it was a textbook example of a surprise attack.

August 12-05-11 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1800138)
Japan loses.....eventually :sunny:

Thank God for that. Can you imagine a world where the Axis was victorious? :o

1480 12-05-11 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800228)
Thank God for that. Can you imagine a world where the Axis was victorious? :o

Lexus and Benz.

Sushi and kraut.

Beer and vino.

Lederhosen and kimonos.

I'd be awful gassy. But my ride would be pimped out.

Oberon 12-05-11 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800228)
Thank God for that. Can you imagine a world where the Axis was victorious? :o

Many have:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_vi...n_World_War_II

Jimbuna 12-06-11 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800228)
Thank God for that. Can you imagine a world where the Axis was victorious? :o

That is why the western world in particular owe the US a great amount of gratitude :salute:

August 12-06-11 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1800400)
That is why the western world in particular owe the US a great amount of gratitude :salute:


And to Great Britain for bearing the burden of defending freedom alone until we got our act together to come over and help.

Jimbuna 12-06-11 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800435)
And to Great Britain for bearing the burden of defending freedom alone until we got our act together to come over and help.

Well, you know what we say over here...better late than never :03:

Arlo 12-06-11 09:37 AM

I'm looking forward to this thread re-starting tomorrow.

August 12-06-11 02:29 PM

December 6th 1941

The Japanese begin sending the 14 part ultimatum to their embassy in Washington to be delivered 30 minutes before the bombs start dropping on Pearl Harbor.

President Roosevelt makes a personal appeal to Emperor Hirohito for peace.

The FBI monitors an early morning telephone call in Japanese from a Dr. Mori in Honolulu to a Tokyo newspaper reporter. The message details such things as flying conditions around the islands, the number of searchlights and soldiers in town, and what ships are moored in Pearl Harbor. The Doctor then notes that the "Poinsettias and hibiscus" (obvious code words) are blooming in Honolulu. Translated by the FBI, the information ends up on the desk of General Short's intelligence officer by 4:00. Short, the Army half of the Army-Navy co-command at Pearl, is presented with the information at 5:30. His reaction is recorded: "The message was quite in order, that it described the situation in Hawaii as it was, and that possibly there was nothing very much to be excited about the content of the message."

From the Diary of Lieutenant Commander Chigusa (X0 of the destroyer Akigumo):
0700. The time has come. As soon as we received orders, Course 180 degrees and Speed 20 kts from the flagship, the Akagi, we immediately increased our speed to begin our dash true south to Pearl Harbor. Our large white waves together with those of the other consort ships of the Fleet marked our path and put us in high spirits... 0710. The signals flags "D-G" were gallantly hoisted high on the mast of the flagship, the Akagi, meaning: "The fate of the Japanese Empire will depend upon the issue of this battle, so please everyone exert yourself to the utmost." This was no doubt the direct order and instruction of Vice Admiral Nagumo, Commander-in-Chief of the Fleet Task Force. Were there any sailors not excited over the honor, as a member of the Task Force, of receiving this order? I have heard many times of that order given by the "Z" flag from Admiral Togo in the Japan Sea Battle against Russia in 1905. Now I have actually received the same order myself.
Following this we received an encouraging address from Admiral Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Great Fleet: "The fate of the Empire rests on this campaign. Please do all in your power so as to carry out your duties." We also had the gracious Imperial Rescript which was transmitted by the Commander-in-Chief of the Great Fleet through wireless. These messages were transmitted to all the crew of my ship by our Commanding Officer. Our morale grew higher every moment as our fleet was on the enemy's line to the south. We completed all remaining preparations for war and battle which had not been completed in the morning.
On receiving the order "Be well dressed," we changed to clean uniforms for battle. After that, both my ship and myself had completed our preparations for attack against the enemy at any time. .... I had felt very uneasy throughout the day, fearing that our enemy might observe our fleet dashing toward the south to Pearl Harbor, because today is really the last day before our combat. Our fleet continues on its bold dash throughout the night to close in upon Pearl Harbor bravely in rapid formation.


From the war diary of the German naval attache in Tokyo:
Conversation with Fregattenkapitaen Shiba.1. Last week America offered a non-aggression pact between the United States, England, Russia and Japan. In view of the Tripartite Pact and the high counter-demands, Japan rejected this offer. Negotiations have therefore completely broken down.2. The Armed Forces foresaw this development and consented to Kurusu's being sent only to impress the people with the fact that all means had been exhausted.3. The Armed Forces have already decided 3 weeks ago that war is inevitable, even if the United States at the last minute should make substantial concessions. Appropriate measures are under way. .... No exact details are available as to the zero hour for the commencement of the southern offensive. All the evidence, however, indicates that it may be expected to start within 3 weeks, with simultaneous attacks on Siam, the Philippines and Borneo.6. The Ambassador has no knowledge of the transmission of the telegram, but is acquainted with its contents. ....A state of war with Britain and America would certainly exist by Christmas.

From the Duty Book of Captain Shigeshi Uchida:
At 1020 our army plane shot down a British plane tracking our Malay invasion force. All members of the section stayed in the NGS the night of the 7th (except Prince Takamatsu and Marquis Katcho). (News also came in that at Wake Island 12 aircraft were on the land airdrome and 6 flying boats were also at Wake. (Dillon)

Note: The shot down aircraft was Australian and it's pilot became the first Allied casualty of the Pacific theater of WW2.

At 21:00 hours the Japanese fleet reaches the 158th meridian, 490 sea miles north of Hawaii Islands. They have met no ships during the twelve day journey. Heavy winds had torn the flags into pieces and pushed more than ten sailors into the rough sea. Everything else goes according to plans.









soopaman2 12-06-11 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1800400)
That is why the western world in particular owe the US a great amount of gratitude :salute:

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800435)
And to Great Britain for bearing the burden of defending freedom alone until we got our act together to come over and help.


It was a perfectly coordinated effort. The battle of Britain must have been brutal, and your strength and courage endured, from general to civilian, a proud people!
And honestly, America gets alot of credit as we bore the brunt of the European campaign once we got in it. But without Britain holding the line, it would have been hopeless. And without Canadians and Brits doing their part on D day, it would have failed.

Pre war (for the USA) Roosevelt did everything he could to help. Continuing trade. The lend lease act.

America in the 30s was mired in depression and preffered to look inwards. Also WW1 soured the public on war in general.

FDR saw the big picture. And he did everything in his power to involve the US without involving them.

December 7th was a gift from heaven for America, and for Europe.

Jimbuna 12-06-11 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1800698)
It was a perfectly coordinated effort. The battle of Britain must have been brutal, and your strength and courage endured, from general to civilian, a proud people!
And honestly, America gets alot of credit as we bore the brunt of the European campaign once we got in it. But without Britain holding the line, it would have been hopeless. And without Canadians and Brits doing their part on D day, it would have failed.

Pre war (for the USA) Roosevelt did everything he could to help. Continuing trade. The lend lease act.

America in the 30s was mired in depression and preffered to look inwards. Also WW1 soured the public on war in general.

FDR saw the big picture. And he did everything in his power to involve the US without involving them.

December 7th was a gift from heaven for America, and for Europe.

Good post...Roosevelt was a great friend to the UK :sunny:

TarJak 12-06-11 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1800435)
And to Great Britain for bearing the burden of defending freedom alone until we got our act together to come over and help.

Great Britain and the other Empire & Commonwealth nations.


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