The long simmering civil wars in the east and west, the NW you mentioned is just the same as it has always been.

You could be right but the Shiite Persian Iranians and Sunni Arab Saudis are long term enemies so there is plenty of motive here.

Ah, kk. There are very good reasons these are "long simmering", and haven't blown up in Islamabad's face.

I don't consider either of them major. Unless there is something recent of which I am unaware.

I'll have another look.

No doubt, but I'd think there would be an obvious connection or motive behind these potential attacks. Everything reported about the terror plot I've read or watched seems kind of vague.

But 7 mint condition Topps baseball cards might add up to a dollar on a good day. So no great loss if I'm wrong :D

[QUOTE=TLAM Strike;1765945]Ike's plan was to run a shadow CIA army to fight the Soviets and any leftest leaning leaders (democratically elected or not), rather than fund a large military to actually defend against the Soviets/Chinese. When Ike was faced with an actually military crisis in the Taiwan straits he basicly stated that nuclear weapons were to be used like any other shell or bomb. He then had to backpedal. Ike helped place the US Military in a position where nuclear weapons were the first resort against an enemy without them.
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Alot of great points, in your post but I isolated this particular passage. Not trying to diminish or invalidate your other facts and counterpoints just want to discuss this particular one.

First this: http://hnn.us/articles/9245.html

After we saw how fast the nuclear bomb stopped a fanatical, die to the last man warrior (bushido) culture. It was the best new thing since TVs and Studebakers.
The link above relates to Korea (only a few short years after WW2), and at the time we (USA) had such an overwhelming advantage over the world, Ike saw the dangers. Our nuclear culture predates Ike and goes back to Truman.

We see it today, admit it...10 year wars with no enemy?

I won't call him a saint, I won't call him Lincoln and Kennedy cloned together, no I won't. But he had foresight. Which was most likely why he was an excellent supreme commander.

An addendum to my last post:

Lets not forget Ike leaving the Hungarians high and dry against the Soviets while at the same time not supporting the UK, France and Israel in reopening one of the most vital waterways in the world. Instead he made it US policy to back Arab dictatorships in the region to counter Soviet aggression instead of backing Western intervention in the region to maintain the status quo. Instead of helping to kick Nasser out of Egypt when he violated an international treaty he left a guy in power who would help bring the entire Arab world down on Israel.

It no doubt goes back to Truman, Dugout Dug and Ridgeway, I won't debate you there. But Ike made it policy by building up our nuclear force from 150 bombs in '53 to 16,000 in '60. Truman started the nuclear culture, Ike made it in to overkill.

Maybe if the CIA was doing things like finding out how many bombers and rockets the Soviets had instead of staging coups we might have realized just how big of an arsenal we really would have needed to deter the Soviets.

:timeout:That would not have not been good either, the Soviets when all was said and done gave their numbers of manufactured nukes and it was vastly more than the US. (though our delivery systems outclassed theirs...but still)

And we thought the arms race was bad before.:haha:

Let us for a moment, play with the scene, that it's true. The iranian government wanted to kill the Saudia-Arabian embassie to US.

1. Is it enough to send the american into an another war?

2. Will USA start a war, if the saudies ask you to do so, under those circumstances?

I say NEY!

Expel the iranian ambassador to US and freeze the diplomatical relation would be enough.

There government in US, know this, so be aware, there's more to come

My danish and swedish friends do believe this is true.

They say that it's muslim behavior and there's no needs for further proof.


Markus

IIRC there are no diplomatic relations between the USA and Iran neither is there an Iranian Ambassador in the USA (except the Ambassdor to the UN).

I didn't know that. However, I stil say, it's not enough to wage war.

Markus

Yes and to provide a little more insight into their thinking they seriously considered disbanding the conventional Army as unnecessary on the Nuclear battlefield.

The numbers of forces the Soviets had were greatly exaggerated by both sides. Basicly we thought the Soviets were way a head of us in numbers of planes and missiles and we built tons of nukes to compensate. Not saying we started the arms race but thanks to a lack of intelligence we helped to send it out of control.

:o Thank god they didnt.

Well we (the UK) certainly did :doh: