I think the vast majority of those who argue in favor of Christianity will tell you otherwise. They will tell you the Bible is the absolute Word Of God, and is absolutely infallible. Not necessarily those who believe, but those who argue.

No I haven't written God speaks to me.

God speaks but not with voices not even with impression of words. In all my life God has spoken so few times, all never with any voice nor impression of words. But God indeed spoke in those so few times.

God speaks because I have gotten answer to my prayer. The answer was then fulfilled couple days later but in that prayer it was answered and I only stopped when it was answered. There was no voices at all.

You atheists judge believers harshly and you judge things you do no understand. You convince yourself that your experience is all there is to life. You have no tolerance to other people beliefs nor their testimonies. Most of atheists I have found to be dumb and a fundamentalist and a God hater. Dumb because they do not believe not because they think they do not know but because they think they know that there is no God. A smart people are smart because they know they do not know much.

You really believe that people made up the scriptures which you mock and view with contempt. You really think that faith on God all along survives on the power of BLIND faith?! It never occurs to you that all along that faith has survived because there is power in it and that power is the truth that people have found out from time to time.

Atheists and their fantasies and their beliefs. They are fundamentalists. Some day they will wage war based on their atheistic beliefs and they already have. No better than a self radicalized muslim.

I'm out of this thread, so that you atheists can be comfortable with the fantasies you want to believe.

:har: That's the cream on top of your lament!

Hmm I knew you are going to use that against me. I write it still even when you can use it against me because that's how I view it.

What's the point of writing if what you write never gets read?

In the end I believe God may not be for you guys.

God is not for everyone. I have accepted that. Even to many who have been going to the church weekly . . . . All I can say is they have their stupidity to blame but I'm one of those who believe that in the end God is what making them to be such. They never get it because they never meant to get it.

At least you write "believe" instead of "know". That's at least a small improvement. Every start is difficult, but carry on. :yeah:

Oh that's not a mistake.

You assumed I was making mistakes.

I really do know the difference between knowing and believing.

I know God exists because I have seen God while I was a 7th grader.

I know God have the power to forgive sins and He even forgave mine without me asking for it. I know because God told me He forgave mine

I know God is forever listening and knowing, because a few things I asked He granted it in an instant. And they were not small things.

I know God is able to change hearts, especially mine. He put love of Jesus Christ inside me so I could see Christ. He let me know that He loves even those who do not know Him by giving me love to a stranger.

I know God is so powerful that everything submits to His will when He wills it. I know I have control of my own body yet it submitted to God's will. The ground submitted to God's will. People heart's submit to God's will. Whatever He will I know it always wins.

I know that God is offering eternal power to people chosen as His people so that each one of them could be greater than any king the world has ever seen.

I know the dead are no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and unable to register time. I know because God revealed this to me and wanted me to know. I know it is true because my heart is telling me so and because the scriptures are telling me the EXACT same thing.

Like I said, away with the fairies

Aha they are not.

The fairies are in yours.

I know that dogs can talk. I know that because my Dachshound told me so. He is always listening when I am on the telephone, and is making notes. I saw it with my very own eyes!

Jokes aside, Castout, I'm now talking as a former clinical psychotherapist, social councelor, meditation trainer and spiritual advisor. You gave me repeatedly an impression of a very disturbed mind and described stories that would match descriptions for primary symptoms of schizophrenia, hallucinations, even more serious, you confirm again and again that you mean them serious and not metaphorically. So I am telling you now: go out and try to find some psychotherapeutical and medical help, I am quite certain that you need it. Posting in this forum just increases these symptoms, since their origin does not get examined, possible remedies do not get prescribed, and the forum serves as a valve for you to ease internal pressure that else maybe would push you to attempting to find a therapist.

There were two or three opportunities earlier in past weeks, where I wanted to say that already, but stepped back from that, since by forum communication with strangers you never can be sure. But you are pushing it too far.

I hope that there is somebody in your social vicinity that pushes you to go to a therapist, because I am quite certain that all by yourself you will not act until your world collapses around you.

Hope somebody can help you. Good luck.

Not the vast majority of Christians but rather the vast majority of those Christians who argue for it? Sure i'd take that bet seeing as the most vocal of any group are almost always the radical fringe.

Fair point. :sunny:

or Not!

Like I said I even got witness. I told my mother that the Israelis were going to be very disappointed with their tanks and they did. Made it to the paper here some months later though of course later on they tried to do some damage control.

No one is listening in this world. The fools think they know everything. The world is a mess because of it.

I will conform to no one's opinion when I know I am right. So because no one is listening I will stop speaking. I will not witness again to just about anybody unless I'm compelled to say otherwise which I think is wrong.

But I will say again God is real people. Anyone can have hope because of that, under whatever circumstances or difficulties they are on.
I pushed it too far by witnessing God?

I think it's you who have pushed it too far by telling me such. Goodbye Skybird. Is that insecurity speaking Skybird posing as an intellect?! And you think yourself as the one soaring above?

Not long now before every atheist declares all witnessing a symptom of madness and mental illness. And not long before anyone who professes that they believe in God and to have known God to be declared mentally unfit. The world only accepts people that they are comfortable with. Like the believers or those who profess to be believers yet to know anything about God. Since if a person came out and say he knew God, the atheists would have a coal burning on top of their head. How dare he said he knew God when God is supposed to be a mere belief! A thing only existing in ideas and mind! Of course such person will knock them out of balance thus they would rather say he's a mad man. Because when a donkey is afraid he would only need to close its eyes to believe it is safe. And because men are a little more sophisticated they will reject the person and cast him as mad.

Well the radicals usually don't have outlets to their aspirations. So I have to disagree. The world is usually own by the conservatives. There may be times when the radicals took over but usually they never last long or very long. The radicals imbalance everything. You see it in North Korea, you see it in previous Taliban led Afghanistan, you see it in some of the world's biggest collapsing financial institutions, you see it in Hitler's Third Reich.

In the end I no longer consider subsim to be a pleasant home.

Too many ugliness in it.

Going to be multi-quoting several people here so apologies for the mess

I dunno, I think you could be a good scientist, since you seen to understand the necessity of doubt, and remaining uncertain. A lot of scientists do not seem to understand this very well (and I wish studying philosophy of science was mandatory for the sciences, as most sciences are still operating 100 years in the past, under the assumption that you can prove something).

No, the theory that preceded gravity, is that if I drop something it falls to the ground. The theory of gravity is just a stronger more evolved theory. Ultimately even our biology itself is theoretical, our eyes have the built in expectation of light, etc.


I agree with you on the reasons why a holy book were written, and yes there are many atheists (and agnostics) who will pick apart these books for all the flaws and problems. But there are also many many who do consider their book to be absolute, perfect, and from God, and follow it (or worse force others to follow it) to the letter.

People have through out history, killed other people, for relatively minor differences of interpretation of the same book, and most of these people are just your average every day sort. The belief that you know, is so much more secure and easy, than facing the depths of our ignorance, which is almost total.


Reason tends to trump religion in most aspects. This is because the claims of religion (and I am referring to the specific claims, not the argument over the existence or non-existence of god) do not hold up to prolonged scrutiny. This is why the religiously devout, always try to avoid genuine debate, and react frequently with anger, even if the person debating with them, is gentle about it.

Even in the point of understanding the difference between knowledge (which I personally think is a fallacy), and belief, can trigger feelings of anger and upset. Like the time I was talking to my aunt and uncle (who are devout believers of the protestant christian faith) about this topic, and they got very upset and said very strongly that "I don't believe, I KNOW".

Ultimately we all live in a fantasy world of our (and our biology's, if it exists) creation. What we know is minute and insignificant, what we do not know is vast and unending. My argument is that I (and by extension we) cannot know anything at all, except for one single thing... I exist. Claiming absoluteness in anything else is pure hubris.


Honestly, I have held the same theory for a while now. Claiming absolute certainty, in the face of all counter evidence, even when everyone else around you tells you you are mistaken (or worse), is a classic hallmark of schizophrenia, and I have known many people so diagnosed. There are other features too which I have seen him present in his writings which also suggest it. I have also stepped away from saying it too, more than a few times.

Castout, I am sorry, but I also have to suggest that you think about seeking aid, coming from someone else who in the field of mental health. I know it all absolutely feels as real to you, and is impossible for you to deny it, or its reality and separate it... but some of what you write about, is almost certainly not real. When everyone else around you thinks it is not true, there is a very good chance that they are correct.