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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1699701)

Sorry Penguin, nice piece and nice try, but someone who repeatedly lies as MH clearly does deserves no respect on the subject regardless of if its face to face in a pub as you put it or on the internet.

:doh: - well, at least i tried...
it's hopeless :nope:

k, this were my last words regarding the name-calling

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Here is a pic of a demonstration in Berlin, demanding the release of the Gaza flotilla from the Greek authorities - and an end of the blockade:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7961/gazademo.jpg

the official number of people was 50 - not bad in a city of 3.4 million people, where 2000 demonstrations per year take place - against/for anything imaginable :D
They even the the arab-quota fulfilled with at least one guy- but they miss the obligatory "jew against Israel"....

Sadly the number of participants means ****, when the (silent) majority of Germans (65%) regard Israel as the biggest threat to peace in the world - more than in any other EU country.... :damn: However at least this shows that the support for the love boat is not as big...

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this were my last words regarding the name-calling

It does not constitute name-calling, describiing someone as a liar when they are a liar is a simple statement of fact.

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1700086)

Sadly the number of participants means ****, when the (silent) majority of Germans (65%) regard Israel as the biggest threat to peace in the world...

Almost twice as many as in 1932... :shifty:

(only 37% of all votes cast in that election went for the NSDAP) ;)

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1700086)

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Sadly the number of participants means ****, when the (silent) majority of Germans (65%) regard Israel as the biggest threat to peace in the world - more than in any other EU country.... :damn: However at least this shows that the support for the love boat is not as big...

Here is left article from haaretz.
A year ago flotilla was stopped with "unnecessary violence".
This time it was done with diplomatic means but left of course is never happy.
Amira Hass was supposed to be on the flotilla(if i remember correctly)so here goes unbiased journalism.
They already try to scare us into antisemitic stereotypes-very sensitive people.
Their academic thinking is far reaching and paralyzing.
Now are they afraid that they beloved world leftist community will jump to some shallow antisemitic conclusions?

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In dealing with flotilla, Israel is anything but smart

Outsourcing, aggressive and vocal diplomacy and ridiculous lies thwarted the flotilla, but they have not taken Gaza off the international agenda.

By Amira Hass

CRETE - Like an anti-Semitic caricature, Israel has extended its long tentacles around the globe in an effort to stop 10 decades-old ships from sailing to Gaza. Many Israelis interpreted this as a great victory.
The story could be read as follows: The Greek government wanted to save people whom it surely views as eccentrics and professional trouble-makers, even if naive, from a traumatic and perhaps even fatal experience. The Greek foreign minister rejected claims that Israeli pressure led his government to ban the flotilla's departure. He explained that Greece wanted to prevent a "humanitarian disaster" in the event of a clash between the Israel Defense Forces and the protesters.
Indeed, a Greek police officer - one of those who tried (in vain ) to discover from passengers on the Tahrir who was piloting their ship - did not beat around the bush. We wanted to save you from the Israeli army, he told one of them. The Jew of the blood libel, of whom one must be wary, has been replaced by an Israeli navy commando.
In anti-Semitic caricatures, the cunning Jew is doomed to lose and his control over the world is fated to come to an end. But Israel's government is revising the caricature and sketching a glorious victory. A war of attrition, in the form of mysterious breakdowns and unprecedented red tape by the Greek authorities, thwarted the flotilla's original plan to anchor off the Gaza coast. When Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly thanked the Greek government, he knew full well what he was thanking it for.
We must now await future media leaks to know what exactly Greece received in exchange, other than closer military ties. Perhaps money, to complete the caricature?
This is a convenient time to be using pressure tactics. Greece's socialist government is in a fragile situation, as the European Union and the International Monetary Fund are forcing the country to adopt an austerity plan that most of its people oppose. True, the fact that Greece has become a subcontractor of the Israeli army did not bring the masses into the streets, but there is no doubt about it: The sympathy of the Greek soldiers who arrested the Tahrir's passengers and of the bureaucrats who delayed them was with the flotilla and with Gaza, not with their government's orders. That's all we need: another country whose government gets along well with Israel in complete opposition to popular sentiment.
The flotilla's organizers added a term from the world of business and globalization to their description of Israel's domination of the Palestinians. Israel, they said, was outsourcing the industry of the blockade on Gaza. In exchange for reward, a foreign government - Greece - took on an active role and adopted a deliberate policy of keeping the Gaza Strip one huge prison.
Logic dictates that a government whose policy validates anti-Semitic stereotypes ought to worry Israelis and Jews worldwide. But the Israeli government is doing what its voters want and believe in. For there is one stereotype that has not been recycled here: that of the wise Jew.
Outsourcing, aggressive and vocal diplomacy and ridiculous lies thwarted the flotilla, but they have not taken Gaza off the international agenda. If Israel - which knew full well that there was not one gram of explosives aboard the ships - had let them sail to Gaza, the flotilla would not have preoccupied the international media as it did.
Blocking the flotilla did not discourage the organizers, who are graduates of the anti-apartheid and anti-white supremacy struggles. Rather, it provided ample proof of how white Israel is. As a result, blocking the flotilla only increased their motivation to keep placing the Palestinians' demand for freedom at the forefront of the international agenda.

Israel blocks pro-Palestinian 'flytilla' activists

Palestinian groups have criticised Israel after activists planning to visit the West Bank were barred from flying and others were deported.

Israeli officials said airlines blocked some 200 blacklisted travellers from flying to Tel Aviv.

The Welcome to Palestine group says the action shows restrictions on access to Palestinian areas.

The so-called "flytilla" comes after Greece blocked an aid flotilla trying to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Two American women originally involved in the flotilla were among the first to be deported from Ben Gurion Airport after flying in from Athens to try to join the latest protest.

A group from Switzerland was also expected to be expelled.

Airlines with flights from France, Germany and Switzerland prevented ticket-holders from boarding planes after being notified by Israel that they would be refused entry.

Many passengers turned away decried what they said was an abuse of power. Israel argues it is ensuring public order at its main gateway to the world.

Palestinian civil society organisations who make up Welcome to Palestine expected 600 to 1,000 foreign activists to take up their invitation to head to the West Bank for a week

They say they have planned a full itinerary of peaceful activities, starting with events in Bethlehem and Ramallah on Saturday for those able to make it there.

Activists were urged to inform Israeli immigration of their intention to visit only Palestinian areas on arrival at Ben Gurion airport knowing that this could see their entry blocked.

Palestinians have no airport of their own and Israel controls the borders of the occupied West Bank.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14084547

Note: Update Record,8 July 2011 Last updated at 15:49 GMT

Sababa al ha kefak lol