When people are unknowingly used as shills for big Unions, they're usually being used to fight against everybody else's interest. Sad, really.

The other side of the same coin.

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So wait - you're actually choosing to generalize a statement in support of your opinion, BASED upon nothing more than someone ELSE'S opinion, rather than answer the specific questions posed by the controversy?

In case you haven't noticed, this controversy existed well before any corporation took out advertisements. Now I know it's generally impossible for a liberal to believe that anyone with a different opinion could independently formulate an opinion all by themselves, but I expected better of you.

Evidently I shouldn't have.

I asked very specific questions - instead, YOU were the astroturfer. Ironic.

Is it really this impossible for you to see any side but the standard talking points of the left? REALLY? I mean, is there even an independent thought there? You haven't even bothered to cite facts other than some guys took out ads. ON NO! You took some guy's blog and made it out to be a justification of your own opinion! Is this the level that your side now stoops to? Do you even know the facts of the issue? Do you even have a grey area regarding this?

Like I said, I expected better. Instead, all you provided was a talking point supported with a link provided by a guy with yet another talking point.

Is it really that hard to credit the other side with having well-formulated opinions despite the fact that you may disagree, due to your OWN well-formulated opinions? I generally have found that such cases are incapable of their own opinions beyond the opinion that they agree with a certain ideology. Is that really you?

A case in point which shows both sides of the problem. Cabin crew are one of the few remaining sections on BA that still have half decent contracts and half decent benefits with those contracts. The strike came about as the company illegally imposed new terms and conditions without getting new contracts.
Most of the rest of BA staff is now on a strictly part time 25 hour week which means they need 2 or 3 jobs to get a living wage or just stick with the 25 hours and get government handouts. The final section of BA workers is of course agency crap that has the wonderful benefit of paying absolute ****e wages to any muppet they can find and not only no security of employment but a legal guarantee that they will be sacked in the near future.
You can see why the firm wants to get rid of its actual workers who have hard won rights that took centuries to obtain, and you can see why the workers don't want to end up on the welfare poverty cycle the other workers got shafted with.

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Bubble, you repeatedly demonstrate that you don't know how your own country works, thanks for the even bigger laughs when you try and talk about other countries.

Not that it didn't make me roll on the floor laughing too, but to be fair, I can symphatize with it when some Americans claim being annoyed of Europeans telling them how to run their country. On these forums and elsewhere.

But to be honest there are a lot more god-fearing protestant republican patriots telling how bad and unfair and unlivable Europe is in their twisted minds :doh:

Actually there are not that many that I can think of. The ones that do it are just particularly loud and stay in our minds by being amusing. I don't know if they think the same of us, but does it matter?

What hottentot said. There are only a couple but they are extremely vociferous.

I would love to be told how Europe doesn't work actually, could be an education.

Tribesman, I know someone whose daughter is a BA cabin crew member and from what I have been told she and most of her colleagues have no time for the ones stirring up the strike action and they get very good perks.

I'd love a job where I could get a return ticket from Australia to the UK for £150.

In very few ways, I can agree as far as the annoyances are concerned. Overall, though, anybody who doesn't listen and at the very least consider the advice others give to them is, frankly, an absolute idiot. Pay attention, and you might learn something. Naturally, however, you will have people who think they know more than everybody else and who have no interest in learning, so they will never listen. It's a shame. It's not only true of politics, it's true of religion, education... everything, really.

What I find funny is the number of people all over the country, who have had no real interest in politics until recent years, that appear out of a crowd (whether it be at a protest or rally or here on the Internet) and start babbling on and on with political rhetoric about how to "solve" the problems we have. What they say is almost always very simplistic, and the solutions they propose are rarely soundly logical. It's foolish and astonishingly naive to think you can take any problem in the world that exists at a national or international level and easily condense it down into an elementary solution; there are no such solutions in a country of 311 million people, or in a world of over 6 billion people.

Would by any chance your friends daughter be on a somewhat different contract from the long service people?

Yoo hoo ...terms and conditions apply , you can get on a plane at the last minute if its got a seat the company cannot sell and you happen to have paid and be at the top of the staff standby list......and your two way ticket is only one wayuntil therer


is a one way opening coming back

Sorry , to clear up...
Xabba , would the upset people be the people whom have an absolutely crap contract and thery have no sympathy with the old contract people as they have chosen to take ****e terms and conditions and have no recourse to collective bargainig as even if they can get a union and strike together they are banned from any strike action or collective negociation?

Sod that . I want 4 free local standbys and one preferencial transatlantic.

Return????? you can keep your pay 10%........its only a standby flight at 10% of full first class rates

Sorry , but if you brits wanted to jump on the anti union wagon couldn't you have gone for steelworks to at least give yourself a chance at making an arguement?

Thing is, the budget fight is not about just self interest, it is about what will help the state of Wisconsin get it's budget under control.The Governor is trying to curb the major fiscal drain but the teachers/unions are being selfish and worrying about themselves, not the entire state.

I am all about the individual but most individuals, esp the very idiots protesting Governor Walker will suffer if the state does not fix it's fiscal problem, which means dealing with the unsustainable demands of the public employee unions.They should worry about their students and the big picture.

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Bubble, you repeatedly demonstrate that you don't know how your own country works, thanks for the even bigger laughs when you try and talk about other countries.[/QUOTE]


You are quite the troll, please tell me how my country works? I seriously doubt you have the slightest clue.

Should I read this thread? Or will it just confirm my belief we are descending into Idiocracy?

Well at least he knows a lot better how your country works than you know about how Europe works.


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