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STEED 07-14-10 05:14 PM

People who call it a minor side show and so on need to read a few good books on the subject.

Bilge_Rat 07-14-10 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1444430)
Ah, I see. You refer to the different side's ideologies effecting how they fought, while I was referring to the reasons behind the war itself.

Japan attacked the Western Allies in order to obtain resources so it can continue it's invasion of China, not because it's ideology demanded it attack them. Germany's invasion of Poland and later Russia was quite clearly launched with the intentions of fulfilling the ideological wishes of the Nazis (Among other things).

The difference is not that obvious. Under the Hakko Ichiu doctrine, the Japanese viewed themselves as a master race with a destiny to rule over Asia. Its not that different from the Nazi ideology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakk%C5%8D_ichiu

TLAM Strike 07-14-10 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1444472)
People who call it a minor side show and so on need to read a few good books on the subject.

I recommend:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4...instthesun.jpg

Read it twice, fantastic.

STEED 07-14-10 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1444477)
I recommend:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4...instthesun.jpg

Read it twice, fantastic.

Funny you should post that, got it on my bookshelf. :salute::up:

Subnuts 07-14-10 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1444412)
The Cane Mutiny

That movie was sweet, man!

Fincuan 07-14-10 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1444412)
The Cane Mutiny

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Originally Posted by Subnuts (Post 1444518)
That movie was sweet, man!

Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good :D

Platapus 07-14-10 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fincuan (Post 1444529)
Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good :D


So in addition to someone stealing the strawberrys, someone stole the letter "I"?

And I have proved this with geometric logic!

(rolling ball bearings in my hand)

Bilge_Rat 07-14-10 07:08 PM

Great movie, very loosely based on the november 44 Typhoon than sank 3 tin cans.

remember, these are 1957 special effects...just focus on the acting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqf0...eature=related

frau kaleun 07-14-10 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fincuan (Post 1444529)
Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good :D

Great performance by Bogart and also José Ferrer, who played the Navy lawyer defending the men accused of mutiny. Best bit IMO is when he crashes the celebratory party after their acquittal and tells them all off, then says that if anyone wants to take it up with him mano a mano he'll be outside waiting. Then he adds, "I'm drunk, so it'll be a fair fight." :haha:

But it's another movie that IMO suffers from the unfortunate inclusion of a "romantic" subplot which really seems to add nothing to it all and just bores me to tears every time they cut to those scenes. Don't know if it was in the book, if so and it worked there, I don't think they did a very good job of working it into the movie version.

http://chzhistoriclols.files.wordpre...c10ad2b4a2.jpg

Platapus 07-14-10 08:07 PM

Only because of my anal-retentive nature, the exact quote is

If you wanna do anything about it, I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are - so it'll be a fair fight.

yeah, I know, this why I have no friends. :nope:

frau kaleun 07-14-10 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1444595)
Only because of my anal-retentive nature, the exact quote is

If you wanna do anything about it, I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are - so it'll be a fair fight.

yeah, I know, this why I have no friends. :nope:

Dammit I knew I shoulda looked it up to be sure.

But hey at least I remembered it was José and not Mel before I hit "Submit." :O:

Platapus 07-14-10 08:50 PM

He also had an arm in a cast so that would have been an interesting fight.

Sailor Steve 07-14-10 09:24 PM

So has anyone besides Raptor1 and me read the book?

nikimcbee 07-14-10 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1443815)
Yes and yes. Didn't like it much.


Half of my family are smartasses, btw. ;)

Now that's not what I heard! Mr BenAflakfan.....

:har:

My favorite part of the PTO, is the early part of the War, when it was still an even fight or the Japanese had the upper hand. I think it took a lot of courage to fight in those early days.

TLAM Strike 07-14-10 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1444635)
So has anyone besides Raptor1 and me read the book?

Its on my bookshelf but I have not yet read it. :oops:

I don't know when I'll find time to read it since I don't read as much as I did a year ago (no time). I kinda want to finish the mystery I reading then dropped to read The Bear and the Dragon.


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