I don't know but with about 100,000 rapes committed every year in the US it's safe to say you could find a similar picture in many places. But hey, why worry about women being able to defend themselves when there's an agenda to push, right? They'll get over it. Unless they're dead. Then their families will get over it. In the meantime we can protest for the rights of convicted criminals if there's time before the womens' rigths rally.

Yea, dont' try to solve the reasons behind crimes, just give everyone guns and 'let god sort them out', right?

At Zach and OTH

you guys have obviously never had to deal closely with victims of violent crimes. It really is sad when a 14 year old girl is HIV positive because she was raped.

of course its her fault right? at least in your eyes?

she isnt the victim is she? really its the AIDS infected pedophile who is the victim here right?

of course the kids are not going to pack a stinger missile while they ride bikes around the yard.

they aren't going to ride bikes around in the yard without adult supervision either :doh:

what happens when this rapist breaks into your home with one thought in his mind?

what are you going to do to protect your wife and daughter guys?

i pose that question to you seriously. What are you going to do?

call the cops and hope they show up before this guy can reach orgasm?

where i live they would be hauling his ass out of here in a body bag. he would be hamburger.

crime is part of the human phsyche OTH... you wont solve it. its as primal as the urge to eat in some people... you have a Utopian pipe dream going there.

How about stop fantasizing about rapes and guns for starters?

We spend more per capita than any country in the world on criminal rehabilitation and anti-crime initiatives, it just doesn't work all the time. It's a big country, and not everyone here is well-established and wealthy enough to stay away from violent crimes. Some commit crime out of passion. Some are just psychos. We do what we can to prevent violent crime, but when it does occur it makes sense that one should be able to defend oneself.

I'm sure this 10 year old girl wishes rape were just some R rated movie fantasy.


its not a fantasy OTH... crap like this happens, even in your perfect and infallible utopia, Finland.

Well not all nations necessarily work out. Some countries are flawed from the start.

GR,

I think you're just fixated on that issue, might be healthy to think about other things for a change.

i'll do my best. Just for you OTH

however, i maintain that a man has the right to defend his home from intrusion and his family from harm - with lethal force.

Yeah leave a potential victim without the means to defend herself while you debate unsolvable human tendancies toward evil. I'm sure rape victims everywhere will appreciate your basement pontifications.

Is anyone really debating self defense?

As for this whole rape stuff, most rapes are not committed by random predators. Most are committed by people you know (69% according to the DoJ), such as date rape (the most common form) and spousal rape. It is also suspected by researchers that date/spousal rape are heavily under-reported due to the victim blaming themselves or believing they initiated it.

Guns are not going to help a whole lot in a lot of those cases.

I already figured in that only half of all reported rape cases where they actually identify the assailant involves a stranger or a former partner, hence 100,000 instead of the over 200,000 that the Bureau of Justice Statistics reports. Even if we cut that number in half again, to more accurately reflect the 26% of rapes committed by strangers we still have 50,000 a year, more than enough to warrant me purchasing a weapon for my daughter if I had one and training her in its usage. It would also provide protection from murder, along with the millions of assaults and robberies that take place every year, should circumstances warrant.

Don't bother. He doesn't have an answer to your argument here so he falls back on bashing America (as always) and intimating that your argument stems from some perverse obsession. Nothing has changed.

I would quibble with your figures, most unreported rape cases are where the person is known (people have more reasons to not report that their boyfriend raped them then being ambushed in a park). So the actual percentage of rapes commuted by strangers is likely much lower.

Also the number is ~31% reported rape cases are committed by strangers, not half.

What argument? That women should have handguns in the States because of the threat of rapes? And that arming all women would be the end-all solution to the societal reasons behind rapes and maybe other criminality? Was that the 'argument'? Or that GR should have guns for the same reason although he's not a woman?

I suppose the US is and has been in a kind of state of civil war, 10 000 + dead from firearms every year is war - figures. But will arming everyone a solution or a problem? Personally I don't really know, it might be that US is in a situation where everyone has to get a gun to feel safe. Even in, say, Vermont or some rich area people just have to have guns. Dunno. Not a good situation IMO.

OTH... putting a hand gun in a woman's hand is not going to solve all rapes, putting a gun in the hand of every human being is not going to solve all crimes... thats a ridiculous notion.

nobody is saying that.

the simple point - and concentrate really hard here man because i know you can do it.

the simple point is - every human being has a right to defend themselves with lethal force when required by their situation.

its simple.

and you either agree with it or you dont.

clearly you dont.

firearms are not the end all be all solution for all crimes... it is simply an outlet for personal protection, and here in America - like it or not - its your right to utilize that outlet in your self defense.

i really dont know what else to say to you that can make it any easier.

its like trying to explain basic math to an insect.