And your 'Expert' opinion is based on what?
:hmmm:
Don't own the Game.
Don't play it.

Which puts you in the catagory of,
Hmmmmmmmm..........

If you don't own it or play it?
Your opinion means didaly squat.

Some of us do own it and do play it.
So we are granted rights to whine and complain!
It's in the EULA!
Oh!
You don't have that so are not aware of the Whiners/Moaners Clause.
My mistake.
:haha:

Haven't got it, won't get it.

Console or not, there is so much options out there to spend money on that I do not really depend on a game, at least not a single one. There is the new ARMAII addon coming from a company that listens to customer wishes and has excellent support, as well as two new matrix games that I am eying with for a while (WITP-AE or the upcoming War in the East). Then I might like to read this new book about Jacksons Valley Campaign, so maybe that? Or else another 100 ideas I could come up with. And since SHIII with supermods is still working and looking excellent to me, while the wolfpacks in SHV are still not wolfpacks and so many things are missing, I think there is no reason presently to buy SHV and I can sit back and wait till it reaches a satisfying state... or Ubi announces it will stop patching it and I can forget it. However, I have not yet given up hope.

Which is gonna rock! :yeah::rock:

Bring it on!:yeah:

I don't suppose it's occurred to some of you making snide remarks about people who don't like the game yet still visit that they do so because they like this site and its community?

I've been around for quite a while now. I haven't bought SH5 and won't.

The other thing I don't do is flood the forum with posts about why not. For those who chose to buy it, I hope they enjoy it. I don't seek to detract from their enjoyment.

I'm equally happy to participate in discussions around 'realism' or 'improvements'. I don't see that I need to own the game to do that.

I could do without some people taking the view that I shouldn't post in a thread asking for my opinion simply because they don't like my opinion. Were I to take the same apporach, I'd be suggesting they F-off to sites where everyone is expected to express only ONE opinion (often those sites run by the publishers).

This community isn't like that. It benefits from a divergence of views. I suggest people would do well to remember that.

As an aside, a poll that allows multiple responses is all but useless for any form of analysis without a LOT of work, but it's probably pointless having that discussion.

Cheers

+10 good post:up:

I chose "I haven't bought this game and I will probably not buy it" but that's not quite right, in one sense. See, Ubisoft sent me a (free) copy of SH5 before official release, so I do actually own a copy.

But I've only opened it once to see if it included a printed manual. Since then it's been sandwiched between my SH3 and SH4 DVD cases.

From what I've read today I won't be installing it anytime soon. Problem is, I sense that 1.2 will be the final patch for the final game in the series. I just can't help but think that Ubisoft (collective, ie devs and suits) have been quite disinterested in supporting SH5 (ironic really, given all the "You must buy this game to support the series" rants of so recent. ;)).

I was tempted to select "Total fiasco", as that certainly is my view of the Ubisoft (again, collective) handling of the game, but I chose not to as I felt that option was only for those who have played the game. I would really hate to upset the few people here who think that those who don't own the game aren't entitled to an opinion on it. ;)

"So why then post here?" I hear you ask. Simple, I don't want the game to "suck". If the response from players to 1.2 was as glowing as the anticipation was (remember the "1.2 will fix all our problems" :yeah: posts?), then I'd be the first to select one of the other more favourable options.

But, alas, with each passing day it is looking less likely.

JScones, I hope your intuition about the patch is off. It would be sad to see the boat sink so soon out of the pens. Let's give it until at least 1.3 before writing it off. :haha:

Seriously, people who don't own and play the game should be not allow to post no matter what. This is allowed only here, no other game community accept this attitude. If the legit owners complaint and bug report will be mixed with the haters, there is really no chance that the developers will take us seriously. The "feedbacks" here are almost 50% made by those who don't own or play the game.. disturbing. Even those who play the pirated game should have more right to post oppinions about SH5, no offence.

So if you love SH3-4.. good for you. There is a dedicated forum for SH3 and 4, use it. But I don't think is right that we are constantly spammed here with "SH5 sux, I will never buy it haha you loosers .. SH3 owns !!1!11" :/

Once you have paid your money for the game you have already sent the only message Ubi will ever listen to: cheat me again! Those of us who are jingling the money in our pockets, waiting to purchase a real submarine simulator that respects its customers as honest people at the least or at best as enthusiastic assets in the future sales of a great product are the only ones sending a message that goes beyond "cheat me more!"

Our message is "Respect us as customers, supporters, potential mini advertising agencies, each and every one of us. We are responsible for your success or failure and we certainly are advertising now. Don't buy this travesty."

Our message will be effective and final. The customer whose economic behavior is responsible and unyielding always wins. By the way, I have lots of posts in Ubi forums.

It's not up to the game community what is allowed at Subsim, that privilege falls to Neal.

Neal and his team will decide what is permitted but I'll tell you this now, Subsim has always been (and will remain so) an open discussion forum regardless of beliefs, affiliations and differing views. This sets SS apart from every other game forum and IMHO is what makes SS so popular.

I agree. "People treat you the way you've taught them to treat you" - Dr.Phil (I think)

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Me as a valid customer, I have the right to smash their faces, scream my anger all over the world and never buy another product with their logo on it. But if this gets mixed with those feelings and hate who don't own the game, my voice will never be heard and taken seriously.

That doesn't make any sense to me. His point was that those of us who aren't buying SH5 are trying send a message to Ubi that they can't just dish out a bad quality game and expect it to be a success. You're saying I need to buy a copy in order to send that message? :doh: