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Adriatico 03-29-10 02:21 AM

I really don't know how small publisher group should be - to release Sub simulation without a proper explosion&splash of torpedo hit... as giant Ubi did... in a year 2010.
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EAF274 Johan 03-29-10 03:18 AM

I wouldn't exactly praise Steel Fury, T34 vs Tiger or Rise of Flight as excellent games. They all do a lot of things right, but there is so much stuff not there (for example they rely very much on scripted missions). And I believe Steel Fury and T34 vs Tiger did not receive any patches.

My best hope is that the SH development team "goes indie" and becomes what Thirdwire has become for flight sims. Thirdwire sims are actually much more complex than their 'lite" label would have you expect. They make compromises (don't expect clickable cockpits or hi-res ground objects), but flight models and AI are generally pretty close to those of high-fidelity titles.

Coldcall 03-29-10 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EAF274 Johan (Post 1338775)
I wouldn't exactly praise Steel Fury, T34 vs Tiger or Rise of Flight as excellent games. They all do a lot of things right, but there is so much stuff not there (for example they rely very much on scripted missions). And I believe Steel Fury and T34 vs Tiger did not receive any patches.

My best hope is that the SH development team "goes indie" and becomes what Thirdwire has become for flight sims. Thirdwire sims are actually much more complex than their 'lite" label would have you expect. They make compromises (don't expect clickable cockpits or hi-res ground objects), but flight models and AI are generally pretty close to those of high-fidelity titles.

I agree Steel Fury is not a good example as the compoany went bust, no patch, and this is a real problem with some of the low budget eastrern Euopean dev houses.

Julhelm 03-29-10 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EAF274 Johan (Post 1338775)
I wouldn't exactly praise Steel Fury, T34 vs Tiger or Rise of Flight as excellent games. They all do a lot of things right, but there is so much stuff not there (for example they rely very much on scripted missions). And I believe Steel Fury and T34 vs Tiger did not receive any patches.

My best hope is that the SH development team "goes indie" and becomes what Thirdwire has become for flight sims. Thirdwire sims are actually much more complex than their 'lite" label would have you expect. They make compromises (don't expect clickable cockpits or hi-res ground objects), but flight models and AI are generally pretty close to those of high-fidelity titles.

Yeah, and that's really what defines realism as far as combat sims go. Do you have to use real-world tactics to prevail and is the gameplay built around employing those tactics? If the answer is yes then the game is realistic, regardless of if it has every station modelled in minute detail or not. The Third Wire sims are especially good because they leave out the minute, tedious stuff that doesn't really matter in the scope of the gameplay and lets you concentrate on the fighting.

Reece 03-29-10 04:42 AM

Oh if only TK would redo EAW!:oops: That would be a dream come true!:o:yep:

elanaiba 03-29-10 04:49 AM

Indeed.

Faamecanic 03-29-10 10:54 AM

Or if a DECENT publisher would re-do B-17 flying fortress :) (RIGHT JU?...its been what....15 years now??).

And UBI.... KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF buying the rights to it.... I would rather WAIT ANOTHER 15 yrs if it meant we wouldnt see you sully the Name of Flying Fortress like you have Silent Hunter.

I wish I was a multi-billionare...I would fund the devs in romania and give them the budget and time to actually finish SH5. I will say again, it seems like SH3, worse with 4, and abismal with SH5...that the devs have the vision and talent. UBI chose not to give them the budget or time....

Faamecanic 03-29-10 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonarman (Post 1330037)
Yes, I think there is a lot of truth in both your arguments, the bottom line is that since SH3 Ubi seems to have cut both the development & marketing budgets for the series. How much has it hurt sales? only they truly know that. What a tragedy to have an award winning and criticaly acclaimed title like SH3 which was given a proper budget and even had its dev time extended to include a dynamic campaign then to cut the legs off the series. They really need someone who can bang the table at production meetings and fight their corner for the future of the series as we know it.

It makes you wonder also what the new mobile phone and Ipod versions will do to the brand image, doesnt' seem like a very smart move to me, the series very identity is being eroded, what is it a top down action game a 3d arcade game or a serious simulation?

I must also say that bricks and mortar retailers also seem to be out to kill off PC gaming entirely, I think they have suffered massively in sales terms during the credit crunch. The UKs largest retailer GAME/Gamestation which had a virtual monopoly in the UK has recently closed 44 stores and their once extensive displays of PC titles have been slashed to the bare minimum of stock. Whilst the twice as expensive/profitable console titles festoon the walls.

QFT....agreed 100% mate.

sav112 03-29-10 11:22 AM

B-17 flying fortress..
now that would be good, if well done. :yeah: Fight your way in and out to land back at base just making it:rock:

SteamWake 03-29-10 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EAF274 Johan (Post 1338775)
I wouldn't exactly praise Steel Fury, T34 vs Tiger or Rise of Flight as excellent games. They all do a lot of things right, but there is so much stuff not there (for example they rely very much on scripted missions). And I believe Steel Fury and T34 vs Tiger did not receive any patches.

My best hope is that the SH development team "goes indie" and becomes what Thirdwire has become for flight sims. Thirdwire sims are actually much more complex than their 'lite" label would have you expect. They make compromises (don't expect clickable cockpits or hi-res ground objects), but flight models and AI are generally pretty close to those of high-fidelity titles.

UBI most likely owns the rights to the franchise. :oops:

Commie 03-29-10 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic (Post 1339247)
QFT....agreed 100% mate.

Maybe in the west, but here in Altex Romania, Galati we have two 7 metre by 1 metre displays: One with just PC games, and one with games for ALL the other consolesand handhelds put together. On top of that, the 'console' display still has about a 1 metre square for budget PC titles.:)

When I was in Poland I saw a similar or even greater ratio of PC to console games. That's why we have an ever increasing amount of titles from eastern Europe including more simulations, turn based strategy and other genres now neglected for the most part by the big developers in the west. And this is still happening in light of all the 'piracy' that eastern Europeans are blamed for. Culturally and not just economically, the east just isn't really into the sitting in front of a plasma screen bashing buttons on their Playstations. Hell, gamers are still widely regarded in the stereotypical way that when living in Australia I experienced way back in the 90's.

janh 03-29-10 01:28 PM

Out of curiosity I just checked the amazon customer comments on the latest Ubisoft release Settlers 7 (Siedler 7): on amazone.de there are some 200 ratings, with less than 10% any good. 90% is one star. The deal breaker being the usual suspect, while it appears that the game otherwise could have been received well. But I was surprised that amazon.com has only 11 reviews so far?!

I wonder what is going on at Ubisoft company HQ these days... Maybe there is a little tension in the air in that office...

PyRRhUs 03-29-10 03:20 PM

Hopefully this trend will be continuing when Splinter Cell: Conviction get released. I have been a fan of the series since Pandora Tomorrow but the new action stealth genre gameplay, DRM and the lack of Spy VS Mercenaries multiplayer mode I´m hoping to get a copy cheep as Assassin´s Creed II from amazon.co.uk. :|\\


janh 03-29-10 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PyRRhUs (Post 1339637)
Hopefully this trend will be continuing when Splinter Cell: Conviction get released. I have been a fan of the series since Pandora Tomorrow but the new action stealth genre gameplay, DRM and the lack of Spy VS Mercenaries multiplayer mode I´m hoping to get a copy cheep as Assassin´s Creed II from amazon.co.uk. :|\\

This is hilarious! Not only SHV, also Assassin´s Creed II price reduced by almost 70% on amazon.co.uk -- for the PC version. And I am surprised that the Xbox and Playstation versions are also really cheap, 50% of original price -- Nov 2009 is pretty recent.

The British seem to be even "tougher, less tolerant" customers than the Germans. Respects!

Ubisoft must feel this next quarter, there is now way this is going unnoticed. I would die laughing if this would be the first company to struggle not with piracy, but with its own anti-customer -- sorry, of course: anti-piracy measures. Sunk by own torpedo...

Adriatico 03-29-10 04:05 PM

Flaming Cliffs 2.0 is out, for LOMAC... without DRM.

It's not a topic... just good news for simulation fans:up: ...waiting for Oleg M.


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