OK, wir können ein deutschsprachiges SubSim Forum starten und ich werde einige Moderatoren hinzufügen.

Nimm bitte zur Kenntnis, dass SubSim keine Probleme mit kritischen Menschen hat, aber wir möchten auch, dass die Diskussion auf einem intelligenten Niveau ist ( und bleibt). Wir wollen keinesfalls dass dieses Forum wie diese Kommentarseite von YouTube aussieht. (Link bitte klicken). Sollte die Diskussion auf ein derartiges Niveau fallen -- Forum dicht!

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Dies betrifft auch "topic spamming": Wer dieselben Kommentare in verschiedenen threads postet oder verschiedene threads mit demselben Inhalt eröffnet. Keinen topic spam!

Keine Pornographie !
Keine wirklich üblen Ausdrücke !
Keine persönlichen Angriffe, "trolling", "flaming" !
Und keine Diskussion über Softwarepiraterie, Cracks, wo man wie welche erhält usw. !

Wenn wir uns auf diese wenigen Regeln einigen können, kann ich fortfahren.

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Thank you sooo much, Neal!

with the best wishes for that thing and for you

danasan

Thank you, that was fast!

And of course, we always rely on the level-headed members to help shape the tone of the forum and keep things running smoothly, as much as the moderators.

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I feel the same way about Atari. My 520ST was light-years ahead of the 486 at the same time. I still have it, though it truly is outdated now. You have to wonder where those guys would be now if they had more business savvy.

Steve I had that exact some Atari 520ST and felt the same about it.
Still have mine as well. Played Silent Service on it and loved it.

On topic I wont buy SH5 for a verity of reasons but mostly because of OSP
and UBI's attitude towards sim gamers.

From all I've seen I like SH4 much better. The fully modded game is fun to play. Might even try SH3 if I feel a U boat moment coming on.

Magic

I wonder about them too. I have the "Amiga Forever" emulator from Cloanto. It came with a DVD of a video one of the Amiga employees made at the factory on its last day in business. He walks around showing you the whole facility and the best part was when he walked through the R&D lab. There on the bench was an Amiga with a CD drive! It never made it to production obviously.

I forgot to mention in my description of where Amiga was back in 1985 that it was already using 4096 colors for graphics. Stack that up against Windows incredible 256 colors...LOL. I guess the world just didn't deserve Amiga or Atari back then.

This thread reminds me of the whole Empire: Total War fiasco.

First there was the purging of legitimate posts and anything even remotely, in the most abstract way critical of the game or steam.

Then there is the case of what was also obviously bribing reviewers (The game to this day doesn't work properly - and I don't mean a little buggy, it is completely screwed) and it was worse on release, yet it got solid 9 or 9.5 out of 10 reviews from everywhere...
Even on the official boards, the fanboys lament that it isn't working to this day...
Nothing fishy went on there...

...and do not forget most games magazines for 3-5 bucks needs the commercials og the game industry to "survife"

If there would be a gamers magazine without any commercials for twenty Euros I would buy it. Because than they can be really objective...

Andreas

But in spite of all this despicable behavior on the part of Ubisoft, over in the "I got it" and "Got the game today" threads:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...13/WHEEEE1.gif

And this includes people with "think about what you're doing before you buy SH5" signature pics. That's as embarrassing as running around today with an Obama bumper sticker!:har:

Where are our principles? Are we willing to sell our freedom so cheaply, even to pay to have it taken from us? I'm afraid the verdict is in and it isn't good. An educated consumer acting responsibly is the bedrock of capitalism. Without it, the whole system crashes. Enjoy the carnage. I choose not to participate. Ubi can change its ways or I've bought my last Ubi product.

Jeesh, little overdramatic, don't you think?

Dragon Age has the same requirement if you install any DLC: have to be logged in or you won't be able to play with it. The fact that it is that way is never pointed out, a complete surprise after installing any DLC. And yet, noone cares.

The only difference is that Ubi is actually honest about it, and applies it to all their products. ****storm ensues.

For the record, I don't agree with OSP. It's simply unfair against people who can't meet the requirements... like keeping up with the hardware isn't enough. But I doubt it will be the end of our freedom and/or capitalism. :-?

Well the Dragon Age thing is absolutely not the same, you can still play the full game without being online as long as you haven't used any of the DLCs requiring authentication. I was even playing DAO offline in Steam offline mode when the internet was down a day, so nothing similiar to ubicrap drm.

I know, that's why DLC was explicitly mentioned. ;)

How is having to log in before being able to play not the same? :06:

I have DLC in Dragon Age, and I had to authenticate it ONCE. From then on, no internet connection required. (Not that I play DAO; pretty graphics, linear story, lame gameplay)

This UbiBull**** requires CONSTANT connection, EVERY TIME you want to play.

It's HUGELY different.

And Steam d/l a whole load of crap for Empire Total War that I didn't want or need. Even with 'Auto update' disabled, Steam ignores it for ETW and just d/l a load of crap anyway.

I am sick of these damn companies believing they are entitled to hijack my computer. They can fark off, and I'm not giving them a single $.

Wow I dont think even the mighty EA has stooped this low before.
Talk about sidesteping a few pot holes only to fall off a bridge...

holy crap! where in the world did you find a bridge high enough to even compare with the chasm that ubisoft's brain has taken a plunge into?


On topic though - it's not about the annoyance or wether or not it works. It's a question of principle.

The game is a product - like an tomato. Once i buy it, it's mine. I can make a sandwich, or some soup. I can forget about i until it rots, or give it to my guinea pig (brushie loves tomatoes for some reason and makes a hell of a ruckus at 7 am until he gets his tomato). None of the seller's buisness.

It's the seller's buisness to make sure i don't walk off with the tomato without paying, and in case of games, which are data (and unlike tomatoes can be copied), that people who haven't paid for the game can't play their own copy (i still see nothing wrong with lending my game to my cousins). Enter cd-keys etcetera.

But as i said, games are a product. A product is, by definition, finished, and CANNOT require any additional commitments. Now multiplayer modes, patches - that's not a product. That's a service. A service like access to the gaming network might (and is expected to) have some additional requirements - from an internet connection, through an account to a subscription fee. But in this case - we are required to have an internet connection in exchange for some additional funcionality.

Take closed battlenet in diablo2 for example. The character you create there is only available via internet. From any computer, but that's like taking a flash drive copy of the save file with you - merely a convenience resulting from the fect, that you cannot, in fact, make a flash drive copy of the save. And you have to keep actively playing the game, or the character gets deleted - it's blizzard server space you're using. But in return for this, you get to play the character online (also possible with the regular single player char), with a guarantee of very few (if any) cheaters around. That's the service closed BN is providing.


To that end - even World of Wrcraft, which is an MMORPG, does nor REQUIRE internet. You can install it just fine, even run it. You won't be able to play ofcourse, because access to the server is a service, but Blizz claims no right to the discs i have bought.




It is quite logical, that the games have technical requirements - if you want nice colors, you should have a color monitor (duh!), and if you want to play over the internet, you must have internet (surprise!). But in the case of SHV, internet does not provide any additional funcionality - the single player game has nothing to do with internet - there are no other player-controlled subs to run into, no multiplayer aspect, so why the hell should i stay online? To keep telling you that i have a legal copy? I did that once already, when i installed the game and entered the cd-key.

Seriously Ubisoft - thank god you don't sell condoms...

I think you will find that blizzard does claim their rights to world of warcraft.

From world of warcraft EULA.