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Snestorm 01-17-10 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1238878)
It just isn't practical for the US to have a dedicated agency with all the assets it may need and a handy way to get them to all the places it may need to go.

This, I tend to agree with. The current system works well, and covers the entire maritime world. The MSC merchant ships are on station 24/7/365 for any emergency that may arise, civil or military. The USN has to keep the ball, or it becomes a beaurocratic nightmare. (Too many chefs spoil the soup).

Snestorm 01-17-10 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1238882)
Exactly and it's an expensive and inefficient way to do it. Allowing the military to create and equip a command for the mission might be a better way.

The military has a command for the mission.
It's called The United States Navy, which comes with it's own army called The United Syates Marine Corps.

Buddahaid 01-17-10 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1238882)
Exactly and it's an expensive and inefficient way to do it. Allowing the military to create and equip a command for the mission might be a better way.

It seems to me it would still be expensive in terms of equipment and training, and there would be a need for security anyway. And, what you describe seems already there as the National Guard to some degree.

August 01-17-10 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1238885)
Edit...with that last post thats gone full circle , from saying the military shouldn't be doing the job there should be an agency all the way round to saying the military should do the job as the agency

You'll note that the title of this thread is "US Navy Disaster Relief Task Force". It was always my position that this should be a military command. You are the one who started talking about agencies.

August 01-17-10 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm (Post 1238888)
The military has a command for the mission.
It's called The United States Navy, which comes with it's own army called The United Syates Marine Corps.

Both of which are designed, constituted, equipped and trained to kill people and destroy stuff, not help huge numbers of civilians recover from natural disasters.

Look guys, what we're really talking about here is primarily a transportation command along the lines of the USAF's Military Airlift Command. This could easily be a joint service command too. It doesn't have to be owned and operated by the US Navy although they are the ones who would have to do most of the heavy lifting.

Snestorm 01-17-10 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1238909)
Both of which are designed, constituted, equipped and trained to kill people and destroy stuff, not help huge numbers of civilians recover from natural disasters.

Look guys, what we're really talking about here is primarily a transportation command along the lines of the USAF's Military Airlift Command. This could easily be a joint service command too. It doesn't have to be owned and operated by the US Navy although they are the ones who would have to do most of the heavy lifting.

There already is such a command.

MSC (as in MSC SHIPS) stands for Military Sealift Command.
It is, and has to be, owned and operated by the US Navy.

August 01-17-10 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm (Post 1238925)
There already is such a command.

MSC (as in MSC SHIPS) stands for Military Sealift Command.
It is, and has to be, owned and operated by the US Navy.

Their boss would be a much better choice I think.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/transcom.htm

Even so it's not all about transportation. They'd need everything from medical staff to construction specialists

Tribesman 01-18-10 03:47 AM

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You'll note that the title of this thread is "US Navy Disaster Relief Task Force". It was always my position that this should be a military command. You are the one who started talking about agencies.
:har::har::har::har::har:
Could you tell me what an agency is?
Could you tell me what a department is?
Could you perhaps start with the US Army Corps of Engineers and work it out from there by yourself, or would you like some help?

August 01-18-10 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1239028)
:har::har::har::har::har:
Could you tell me what an agency is?
Could you tell me what a department is?
Could you perhaps start with the US Army Corps of Engineers and work it out from there by yourself, or would you like some help?

Smart ass posts like that is why half this board ignores you. If you want to have a discussion learn some civility.

Tribesman 01-18-10 10:59 AM

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If you want to have a discussion learn some civility.
If you want to have a discussion then learn.
If you wish to challenge the use of the word "agency" then make sure you know what the word means before you question its use.

Still I take it from your response that you have now learned that a military command can be an agency, I suppose you have also learned that it can be part of a non-military organisation.
If you had bothered thinking before you you wrote....
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You are the one who started talking about agencies.
....you wouldn't have written it at all as the agency I initially mentioned has throughout the years been variously both a civilian and military command under different depts.


None of which of course changes the problem that a dedicated national agency for international disaster relief with its own allocated assets is simply not a practical proposal as the scale is too vast and needs too diverse.

Snestorm 01-18-10 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1238938)
Their boss would be a much better choice I think.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/transcom.htm

Even so it's not all about transportation. They'd need everything from medical staff to construction specialists

Good post. Very educational.

August 01-18-10 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1239094)
blah blah blah

TLDR

Tribesman 01-18-10 11:31 AM

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TLDR
Which is why you lack basic knowledge.:har:

Buddahaid 01-18-10 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1239118)
Which is why you lack basic knowledge.:har:

You'd make a fine mentor. All pleasant and patient. :har:

August 01-18-10 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1239118)
Which is why you lack basic knowledge.:har:

I didn't read it because frankly your constant trolling is becoming boring. :down:


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