SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)
-   General Topics (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175)
-   -   Vet. claims Avatar portrays marines as psycho... (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160154)

nikimcbee 01-17-10 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1237951)
That's amazing, did we even see the same movie? How can you describe the beach landing scene, or indeed any of the movies battle scenes, as a "cake walk"? In nearly every they lost people, and not in heroic ways either but bloody and horrific ways.

okay, here we go; game on: Ryan vs BoB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgKo...eature=related

beach part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKpn0...eature=related

Spielberg hollywood part: (look at all those tigers:haha:) all of these parts remind me more of a video game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSno...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Seb...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4NX...eature=related


BoB:
(the luger part really happened: you stoopid mick:har:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FLpL2FBGTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y5_O...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncC0l...eature=related

Why I like BoB more and it wins hands down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0HTl...eature=related

August 01-17-10 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1238242)
okay, here we go; game on: Ryan vs BoB

Game over before it even started. As a former Paratrooper I am biased to BoB over those leg Rangers in SPR.

nikimcbee 01-17-10 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1238250)
Game over before it even started. As a former Paratrooper I am biased to BoB over those leg Rangers in SPR.

Jar my memory: 82nd or 101st?

August 01-17-10 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1238253)
Jar my memory: 82nd or 101st?

10th SFG(A)

stabiz 01-17-10 06:47 AM

Somebody here really likes We Were Soldiers?:huh:

"I will be ... the first ... man ... on ... the ... ground ... and ... the ... last ... man ... off!"

*cue cringe worthy slow motion when he steps off the helicopter, and later back on*

Also, the scene where he talks to the recruits about the new helicopters, turns around and whooosh! it screams by.:rotfl2:

I like war movies but that one was a stinker.

OneToughHerring 01-17-10 08:23 AM

The very final scene of We Were Soldiers is of the Vietnamese general or something who walks through the battle field and says something like "The Americans think they won but they've just prolonged the war" which I thought was a pretty good way to end an otherwise pretty stereotypical war movie.

And from what I've read there was a lot of picking and choosing and artistic licence when it comes to the subject matter of the movie. In reality there was no heroic final charge by the Americans but infact a really deadly ambush that the Vietnamese pulled off.

August 01-17-10 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stabiz (Post 1238328)
Somebody here really likes We Were Soldiers?:huh:

"I will be ... the first ... man ... on ... the ... ground ... and ... the ... last ... man ... off!"

*cue cringe worthy slow motion when he steps off the helicopter, and later back on*

Also, the scene where he talks to the recruits about the new helicopters, turns around and whooosh! it screams by.:rotfl2:

I like war movies but that one was a stinker.

Are you claiming that those two incidents never occurred?

OneToughHerring 01-17-10 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1238214)
I never claimed that. I disagreed with the idea that the battle scenes were depicted as "heroic cake walks". Do try to keep up.

So you like propaganda movies?

stabiz 01-17-10 10:38 AM

Yes, I claim that the commander did not step off and on the helicopter in slow motion to pompous music. I also find it hard to believe they timed that flyby in real life.:salute:

Torvald Von Mansee 01-17-10 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1238152)
Oh yea the effing flag waving. And again in the end. And there's August claiming there's no propaganda in the movie. :rotfl2:

Right. Why would there be an American flag flying over a cemetery maintained by the American Battle Monuments Commission containing almost entirely American servicemen? At the beginning and end of a war movie following American soldiers, showing them being killed and horribly maimed. Really, it makes MUCH more sense to show, say, the flag of Bhutan.

OneToughHerring 01-17-10 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1238496)
Right. Why would there be an American flag flying over a cemetery maintained by the American Battle Monuments Commission containing almost entirely American servicemen? At the beginning and end of a war movie following American soldiers, showing them being killed and horribly maimed. Really, it makes MUCH more sense to show, say, the flag of Bhutan.

Of course it's ok to have a US flag at the beginning of SPR. And it was equally ok for the Germans to make movies about Jewish people before and during WW 2. They made perfect sense also.

Skybird 01-17-10 03:45 PM

Most popular war movies I do not like. Those that I liked, are:

A thin red Line (strange that nobody mentioned it so far)
Das Boot
Die Brücke
Band of Brothers (much better than Private Ryan)
Apocalypse Now

Two popular but very overestimated movies, imo, are Kubrick'S Full Metal Jacket (although I like three of his movies very much, this is none of them), and Platoon.

Many war movies suffer from one of two things, or both: they are entertaining for the sake of being entertaining, and/or they are ridiculously pathetic.

Both makes mockery of the dead.

nikimcbee 01-17-10 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1238392)
Are you claiming that those two incidents never occurred?

:hmmm:

Hal Moore stuff:
http://www.lzxray.com/

The book:
http://www.amazon.com/Were-Soldiers-.../dp/0060975768

Quote:

When we step on the battlefield, I will be
The First Boots On and the Last Boots Off.

- LtG. Hal Moore


This isn't just about military combat, although hands-on leadership is key to victory in war.

This isn't just about leadership, although leading by example creates a degree of loyalty and overall success that cannot be achieved through issuing orders from a lofty office.

For each of us, life is the battlefield. The key to success, and to happiness, is being fully engaged in life - leading yourself with inspiration and committed action - setting your own fine and honorable example.
:salute:

Torvald Von Mansee 01-17-10 06:16 PM

Hmmm...I'm looking forward to the Pacific version of BoB. I thought it had already aired in Australia? That would mean it would be available on the interwebs via...alternative means.

MothBalls 01-17-10 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1238623)
Most popular war movies I do not like. Those that I liked, are:

A thin red Line (strange that nobody mentioned it so far)
Das Boot
Die Brücke
Band of Brothers (much better than Private Ryan)
Apocalypse Now

Two popular but very overestimated movies, imo, are Kubrick'S Full Metal Jacket (although I like three of his movies very much, this is none of them), and Platoon.

Many war movies suffer from one of two things, or both: they are entertaining for the sake of being entertaining, and/or they are ridiculously pathetic.

Both makes mockery of the dead.

Good choices. One war movie that had the greatest impact on me was Schindler's List. I've seen so much battle footage, both real and Hollywood style, that's not interesting. I really enjoy the ones that tell us about the people and what they went through, like SL, BoB, and Das Boot.

Looking forward to Pacific. I just hope it's done with the same quality as Brothers. My father served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. All of his WWII time was in the Pacific so I'm really looking forward to this one.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:51 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.