You know Bush severely cut NASA's budget back in 2003, right? Thanks to that decision, we didn't send probes to Ganymede or Europa, Jupiter's moons, or Pluto...

And before you ask, I do have a citation:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/sp...get/index.html

At least then we had the money to send probes out to neighboring planets.:shifty:

Both parties have had a detrimental effect on NASA, but none so as compared to Nixon (who was a repub by the way), so don't get me started. Cutting a couple probes as Bush did is in no way as bad as cutting out next launch vehicle. This is 100x worse!!!!

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I'm sorry, I can't hold a candle to you, such as your post above. You are the master of flamebait.

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Bush cut funding for the entire deep space program in 2003. The repercussions of that are likely to be felt for a long time. We're probably not to have a program up and running for a trip to Pluto any time soon. As I said, at least then we had the money available to head to Io and Ganymede and Europa.

Now we're so badly in debt we need to muster all the money we can to pay it off. But I must agree that the Chinese will have a field day with their space program. Not only is their competition weakened, but they're also the ones who will be receiving money from our debt.

Again Subman you have no idea what is going on.

It is not 100x worse. 100x worse is having AT BEST 2 moon flights per year that are SEVERELY reduced because they have to alter Orion even more to fit on the ever diminishing payload of Ares 1.

Obama is not going to kill the Ares program BTW he has not the balls to do that. He will move Orion to Delta IV and start work on Ares V. ATK will bitch and moan and that will be the story for 2009 as far as NASA goes.

In the meantime in labs across the nation. The real deal in scientists will be starting work on the tech that will enable us to colonize space. NOT NASA.

This "OH NOES CHINA WILL BEAT US!!!111" has got to stop.

Their Manned space program is beyond SLOW. Their next manned launch MAY be in 2010. They will be lucky if they can make it to the moon in 2030 much less 2020.

Don't bother, it's a right wing forum. Not a lot of cool liberals play world war 2 games. I come here because listening to right wingers is amusing, it's like walking thru a political museum. I'm like "whoa! people actually think that, and they aren't joking?" haha

Yes he did. Problem is, he cut it in favor of the very program Obama is set to squash. He did a tit for tat. Problem is, Obama is planning making Tat never happen. So whats left if this is the case? You want to ride a Delta? They blow up from time to time at a frequency much greater than any manned program. The loss is considered acceptable. Well, no loss in this regard when it comes to men is considered acceptable, and no Delta can push the cargo required to the moon or any other astral body for that matter.

The program is dead, as is all programs that were cut to make way to make it happen.

Your deep space probes will have died in vain.

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Sorry if I still care about Americas future.

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Why ignore reality? They are the next superpower. America is going the way of Britian. We have been on our way to "has been" status, but Bush accelerated the process about 50 years. Other countries do not have to wait for us to crumple for them to take over. This is just American arrogance as usual thinking we allow the other planet to draw breath. How do you expect to beat China's capitalist/communist hybrid economy? They have the best of both worlds. The labor is taking the best (or worst) communism has to offer and putting a capitalist icing on it.

I love the implications that the liberals don't?

How big is your bank account? That is the only thing that will dictate how much you can really "care" about America.

Hahahahaha!

You forgot reality. Taken from another thread:

The Chinese live better than us? That’s insulting. No, not to us - to the poor Chinese! With their industrial slaves, toxic red seas, multicolored air, ethnic warfare, human trafficking, forced population relocations, birth fines, and dam collapses, Thomas Friedman gives them an A+ on the Super Sci-Fi Cellular Network Global Connectivity Scale and calls it a day.

You have just lost all credibility in my mind.

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Because they are the little red headed retarded step children of Europe like Georgia and Poland. They are tugging at America's pant leg repeatedly asking "can I be your friend Mr., please, can I, can I be your best friend?"

No, because some people still have a brain and know whats good for them. A friend of us means freedom. Not some Socialistic anarchy.

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No liberals have credibility in your mind so that isn't saying much.

I didn't say the first thing about China's quality of life not being bad, I don't disagree that it sucks beyond all measure. Definition of a super power is not defied by the quality of life of it's subjects. If that were the standard Sweden and Switzerland as well as France etc. would all be called superpowers. They aren't.