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Frame57 11-10-08 11:40 AM

Apologies....Let me re-phrase it...perhaps then instead of buying bombs they should build hospitals. Seems the arabs have money to burn.

subchaser12 11-10-08 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Apologies....Let me re-phrase it...perhaps then instead of buying bombs they should build hospitals. Seems the arabs have money to burn.

In other words, "let them eat cake".

NefariousKoel 11-10-08 02:50 PM

For once, I think Skybird is spot-on in his assessment.

Gaza, being an example, was left to run it's own matters and what happened? Instead of improving the situation in their new land, the 'Palestinians' decided to stockpile arms there and launch attacks into Israel once again.

When it was suggested that Egypt adopt Gaza as a territory the Egyptian gov't flat out refused. They don't want the troublemakers either. Actually, none of the countries in the area want them, they only use them to further their proxy-war against Israel. Why do you think there have been "refugee camps" in these other countries for half a century? The other arab states don't want them, either, and keep them corraled like livestock.

The real irony is.. a number of these Palestinian "refugees" work in Israel. Someone's example of Palestinians trying to get to hospitals in Israel, and obviously used to being let right through in the past, is even more so. I wonder how often they enter Egypt or Jordan, proper, and are allowed straight into the country to use their medical facilities. And the Palestinians in the Israeli government.. well, you can just blow those off as 'token' Pals huh?

In the end, I don't fault Israel for stiffening their borders considering how often their civilians are attacked. All the previous cease-fires and peace talks have been broken by various Palestinian groups who, evidentally, don't want some kind of agreement there.

Skybird 11-10-08 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
I don't complain much about Palestinians, I do complain about the Fatah opportunists who do nothing for their people and give room to the likes of Hamas to fill the gap, I think the Palestinians deserve much better than that, somebody like hmm let's say غاندي ;)

Voters are responsible for what they vote, and both Fatah and Hamas in their two regions were voted and/or supported by a majority of people that wanted them in power. They got what a majority of them wanted, so my congratulations. Not the first time that they demonstrated their remarkable talent to always line up with the wrong sides. Their choice - their responsibility for the consequences.

Skybird 11-10-08 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57
Apologies....Let me re-phrase it...perhaps then instead of buying bombs they should build hospitals. Seems the arabs have money to burn.

Arab members of the OPEC sure have money to burn, but they don't care about Palestinians. Assuming that they do just because they're all Arabs is like assuming that Portugal cares about Finland because they're part of the same continent or that the US cares about Zimbabwé because they speak English.

No, the fate of the Palestinians is a nice proxy surrogate by which to expose Israel to international criticism without needing to engage in provoking that themselves - officially most Arab states have formal and practical peace conditions with them. For most Sunni states have understood that Israel does not threaten their internal autocratic power structures and thus they have learned to live with Israel's existence.

Also, the Palestinian attempt to topple the jordanian state that gave shelter to them and resulted in the black september and jordanian security killing that coup with lethal force, serves as an example of why you do not want to have the Palestinians in your house - they try to take it over. This, the constant corruption of their politial structures, and the many intrigues the Palestinians under Arafat were weaving in North African politics.

If such guests would knock at my door, I would show them my biggest gun immediately and wave them away, too.

NefariousKoel 11-10-08 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Not quite, people with serious conditions try to go to Israeli hospitals not because they used to but because the Israeli blockade limits very much the hospitals' capacity in Gaza. Btw putting Israel on the same level as Egypt isn't really a compliment is it ?

So all those Palestinians complaining about being given security checks or having to drive further around a wall to get to work inside Israel should just be waved on through? Seriously, why don't they just go into Egypt or work there? Oh yeah, they won't let them in, period. My comparison still stands.

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I don't fault them either, problem is, the borders they're stiffening are not theirs.
http://www.btselem.org/Download/Sepa...er_Map_Eng.pdf
Btw who broke the cease fire few days ago ? But oh yes it was to prevent the Hamas from breaking the cease fire.
The original swiss cheese-like plan for separation was tossed out the window when Israel was formed. And promptly attacked. The Golan Heights sure weren't part of Israel but wars have a tendency to move the lines doesn't it? I guess you'd expect the victors to just give it all back to the aggressors and give them a hug and a reacharound while they're at it? Perhaps they should replace the missiles they were launching off the heights into Israeli cities just to show they really care. Using the GH as an example, of course. :lol:


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