Because the GWX team are a bunch of arrogant snobs with a superiority complex that through their pompous arrogance want to arrogantly force their warped and incredibly subjective opinion of realism onto every single SH3 player, making everyone play their way, and only their way, and what they "think" is realistic, out of sheer arrogance. :yep:

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Boris...You are terribly out of line!

Who in the hell is forcing ANYBODY to use the Mod??????

AGAIN! How are they making anybody do anything???

If you don't like it...DON"T USE IT ...and shut up! :damn:

Its that kind of comment I was hoping to avoid:nope: :nope: :nope: If you'd taken time to read my post you'd see I didn't want this disscussion to degenerate into a slanging match:down: ,but a sensible thread about the merits of both sets of opinions,keep it civil please:yep:

LOL @ Boris

I've got to be honest, I can't tell if you are being 100% serious.;)

I can usually 'read' peoples tone of post and you have made many funny/sarcastic posts in the past. I hope this is one of those because you are one of the luckier ones and know only too well the amount of work required to produce GWX.

A good friend said to me (you know who you are):

(shortened);)

This sums up the work you & many others have done very nicely and if your post was not ment in jest, I would ask you to consider the hours of work you put in and the pride you took when it went public.:yep: The team feels no differently than you did.

I've pondered over the post dor a few hours now http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/621/thinkbigsw1.gif .....and my money is on Boris being cool http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2108/thumbsupkc7.gif
I'm going for the humorous interpretation http://forums.randi.org/images/smilies/crazyeyes.gif

Yeah, just to clarify... I was serious :stare:












No, not really :lol:

:rotfl: You know KL's just had kittens.:rotfl:

Thank god for that:rotfl: ;) :up:

BLASPHEMY!!! :stare:

I had WOLF PUPPIES!!! :lol:

<kittens?... BAH!>

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.....and in a few years they'll look something like this http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...es/whistle.gif http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...bubblegum2.gif

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7827/50976qn6.jpg

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Yes Jim, they will.
But to remain anonymous they'll be dressed like this.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n..._2006/duck.jpg

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Good show with the idea of making the deck gun "less uber"... I did run across this interesting book and the use of the deck gun IRL to sink a tanker in the Carribiean on a patrol. This was during a ...ahem...discussion I was having with Beery and others on his low fire rate with RuB. But I think it applies here showing that 1) yes the deck gun WAS used to sink boats (but only in ideal conditions. 2) it took MANY rounds to sink one boat.

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The book is "U-Boat War Patrol" The Hidden Photographic Diary of U 564 ISBN: 1-85367-575-X. Got it from amazon.com and it is a GREAT book. Its like Iron Coffins with 400+ pics. of the actual war Patrol

U564 was a Type VII-C under the command of Reinhard 'Teddy' Suhren.

The incident I was referring to starts on page 150 - 157.

U564 engaged a Large Tanker (8,176tons) with its last pair of torpedos. One hit, but the other got hung up in the tube (hot running!) due to damage to the external torpedo door linkage being bent by a Depth Charge attack earlier.

Teddy surfaced the Uboat and waited for the lifeboats with 39 sailors and 2 British gunners to get clear of the tanker. They then commenced firing on the tanker. This was approx. in August 1940.

From the book (pp. 156-157)

"Within the hull, the ammunition was broken out of its store beneath the decking next to the commander's cabin, unloaded from each individual metal container and passed laboriously by hand through the conning tower hatch and out to the waiting gun crew. As each round slid down the small chute that folded down from the conning towers front, it was taken and held in readiness for use by the two loaders on hand for the task.

Over the next twenty five minutes, fifty shells streaked across the narrow gap that seperated the two vessels, thirty five of them impacting on the Vardaas..

So.... it seems this Type VII-C with a experienced crew could fire 2 shells a minute, with a 70% hit rate.

Now...back to the 60 seconds between shells in RuB... I still feel that realisitic. Here is why. First U 564 had a crew that had all worked together for at least 4 patrols. This was VERY unusual. Most crews rotated frequently. There were only THREE people on U564 that had not been on 4 patrols together (1 Officer Engineer in trianing, 1 photographer, 1 seaman).

Realistically we would never have a combined crew that would have worked with eachother this long. Especially in the latter years (1942 and out).

Just thought you guys would like to know what at least one primary source says... that a 2 shell per min rate wouldnt be unrealistic. But not likely. Im sure there are other primary sources out there that say something different.

Interpretating data from reports and documents
is one thing.
Liveing it is another.
Reports and documents are data which can be,
and often is, contorted to prove a given point of view.

I've fought Helmet Laws in Ohio and other States for 20+ years.
I've read EVERY study, EVERY document, EVERY report put out.
By those documents and studies and reports?
I DIED 20 years ago!!!
All my friends are brain dead.
The Motorcycle industry does not exist!

So much for "Facts"
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