<2% "an awful lot"?

Whatever.

Read below.

Who to believe?
All I can suggest is read the NSA report. Read the crew supported books largely of the attacks itself which is skimpy in the NSA report.
Understand that the US investigation team was not allowed to go to Israel They were not allowed to question any Israeli sources. They took what the Israeli's submitted as gospel no questions asked. Note that for some reason a lot is based on signet of two Israeli helicopter crews which covers nothing much but one asking the other "whats going on?" conversation for some reason.
There is no way whatsoever that the Liberty could have been mistaken for an Egyptian cargo vessel. The sizes and silhouette differences are vast.
The NSA report doesn't say it but I think three flags were shot down if I remember from a book correctly.
Commander McGonagle was promoted and awarded the Medal of Honor but LBJ couldn't be bothered to award our nations highest honor I guess and the Secretary of the Navy gave it.
Captain McGonagle went on to command the ammunition ship Kilauea and led the NROTC Unit at the University of Oklahoma. Hmmm
Make your own decision.
And you can always check out http://www.ussliberty.org/

what?

By that you mean Israeli logs and records right?

Trouble with that is the USS Liberty was a WW2 era Liberty class cargo ship. Not something the US Navy could be expected to be using 20 years later. Also hundreds of Liberty ships were sold off after the war to any number of countries. It would not be suprising at all for one of them to be picked up by the Egyptians.

Nothing like comments from the SH3/SH4 recognition manual world!

There is "no way"? Once again, Cristol gives some classic historical examples.

Now let's start a serious analysis of why the Brits intentionally attacked their own ship. :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: After all, there's "no way" the Sheffield could have been misidentified as the Bismark, especially in slower speed WWII Swordfish planes. I wonder what would have happened had magnetic torpedo triggers not been defective at the time. :hmm:

I demand a board of inquiry! :yep:

I don't know much about the incident but one thing does bug me...

Do Americans think they can spy on every country without consequence? I'd like to think i'm not an American hating moron like so many people are nowadays but come on! If I was in a position of power and was informed that another countries spy ship was in our waters i'd demand that they be boarded and arrested. In times of war I might just give the order to attack...

I'm assuming that the American ship was in Israel controlled waters and not international on this but either way my point still remains. If a Russian intelligence ship went into American waters while the USSR still existed, what would happen to it?

The Liberty was in international waters. And America isn't the only country that does these types of missions. Every other country with the capability to do so sends ships loaded with ELINT gear to sit off the coast (just barely in international waters, as the Liberty was) of countries of interest. Sometimes these ships are obvious, registered naval vessels with a known purpose and sometimes they are disguised.

PD

Hmm well in international waters the Liberty had every right to be there. But still, if I was playing a game like Civilization and another country had ships like that sitting off my coast i'd probably teach them a lesson.... Horrible event either way but as mentioned by others these things happen in war. Afghanistan is a perfect example and i've heard a few about Iraq as well.

Good thing yall have satellites now. :up:

The ship was at 1300, shortly before the attack, 13 miles off the coast of Sinai, which you can view as Egyptian territory being captured at the time by Israel (see the Liberty's ship log). The ship was in an active war zone.

Regarding flags, discussed earlier, I recalled correctly. Liberty's log entry at 14:26 notes that the "normal steaming ensign which had been flying from the gaff had been shot away during the air attack", followed by "holiday sized ensign hoisted on port yardarm."

McGonagle's letter to Cristol on the subject of his Medal of Honor. Read it all the way through. Can you spot McGonagle's own words that damn this conspiracy nonsense?

How can you make decisions when you don't know the facts?! :nope: Pathetic. :down:

EDIT: Incidentally, here's a relevant snippet from Judge Cristol's biography:

• In November 1951, during the Korean conflict, A. Jay Cristol joined the US Navy as an aviation cadet, earning his Navy Wings of Gold in April 1953. He deployed with VS-37, a Navy anti-submarine squadron aboard the aircraft carrier Princeton (CV-37) to the Western Pacific and the Sea of Japan. He was also part of TG70.4 during February 1955, in support of evacuating Nationalist Chinese from the Tachen Islands near the Communist China mainland in the South China Sea. He flew day and night missions as both a hunter pilot flying the Grumann AF-2W and a killer pilot flying the Grumann AF-2S. He was subsequently attached to the Fleet All Weather Training Unit, Pacific at San Diego, California as an instrument flight instructor and taught maneuvers for the delivery of nuclear weapons. Upon returning to civilian life, Cristol joined the Naval Air Reserve where he qualified as a four-engine Navy transport plane commander. In the 1960s, he flew operational flights during the Cuban Missile Crises and volunteer airlift missions to Vietnam.
  
  After 18 years as a Naval aviator, Cristol joined the Judge Advocate General's Corps. He graduated with distinction from Naval Justice School. He served as a lawyer for another twenty years. His duties included teaching law of war and serving as the administrative officer for the summer Naval Reserve law courses. In 1983, he was made an honorary professor by the Naval Justice School. He has performed special active duty in the office of the Secretary of the Navy and the Chief of Naval Operations. In the 1980s, the Department of Defense sent him to the International Institute of Humanitarian Law at San Remo, Italy to lecture on Law of Naval warfare to senior foreign military officers. Captain Cristol retired in 1988. He wears more than a dozen military decorations including the Meritorious Service Medal, the Navy Commendation Medal, and the Navy Achievement Medal.

Obviously a man of ill repute.

I think you had better read that letter again and try using your glasses this time AL. It doesn't say squat. Please show where he damns this conspiracy nonsense. In fact what is this letter supposed to point out?
Who is pathetic? You I do believe.:roll:

What are you babbling about? Silhouette identification is standard in most armies, navies and air forces so you can cut your attempted insult. Pure AL!

Attacking armed warship vs. attacking cargo vessel?

Center third of silhouettes have no comparison. Notice funnel. No Egyptian cargo vessel would be painted navy grey. How many passes were made on the Liberty?

I believe Egypt possesed something like five ships (I could be wrong). I would believe Israel would know what they were and again navy grey paint.