I did not start it. Please take note of that simple fact. I simply mirrored her choice of words once she became aggressive.

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There are crazies on every side of the political spectrum. Sometimes crazies take over governments. Sometimes they get elected Prime Minister.

If you use terrorist tactics to achieve an aim, it's a little naive to expect folks to feel sorry for you, if someone uses them against you. Once you have blood on your hands, it's difficult to wash it off.

That was the main HQ of the British Army. The hotel plus others were phoned in advance of the bombing but some Brit smuggly and obnoxiously replied "we don't take orders from Jews". Spit.

That arrogance and haughtiness is just a miniscule hint of the misery the English afflicted on the Jews of Palestine under British rule for decades. The blood of 100's of Israelis and myriads of Jews who the British White Papers prevented from escaping Hitler's annihilation machine is on their hands. But don't bother mentioning it. Such trivialities.

More details here: The Bombing of the King David Hotel.

Lastly, one should ask, why Heibges thought this relevant to post here. Indeed.

You only continue to slander my country at your whim with baseless assumptions. I will not remain silent. Well, I will now, 'cause I gotta cook!

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All we expect from you and everyone else is that you watch your language, nothing more. It is possible to have lively and even heated discussions without resorting to name-calling or flaming!

Don´t mirror aggression, all it does is escalate a situation.

The knowledge alone that both sides had the ultimate in firepower and the means to deliver it has kept the peace for decades in the East/West :hmm:

You could have made known your reservations by simply saying you see it different, and that you think that what I said could have been a reference to van Creveld, and that you do not like that man. Instead you started to open fire, hoping that a surprising charge and loud yelling would shut up somebody whose remark was unwelcomed for you. Gizzmoe may think it is okay to let such behavior go by without reacting to it, but all what is accomplished by that is that those yelling the loudest will take over the board. "Der Klügere gibt nach? Deshalb regieren die Dummen die Welt!"

My views of Israel as a nation and political entitiy are like they are. I have no obligation to please you. You must only be extreme enough in being in it's favour, than everybody not being in total and unconditional support for whatever Israel does will appear to you as somebody "who slanders your country at a whim" at every opportunity. note that you do not really show the self-restriction you demand from others when you talk about Europe, for example. Also note that this usually does not trigger such aggressive reaction from me or others like you showed here. Note that I repeatedly clearified my stand concenring Israel, saying that I do not love the way it was formed, and considered it to be a great folly and strategically undefendable in the very long run, but for practical reasons accept it's existence today, since the founding now is roughly two generations ago and cannot be reversed without the same injustice of the past being repeated again to many people, this time from the other tribe of the two opposing sides. Also note that I repeatedly defended Israel in past debates, and even defended it (initially) in issues like the Lebanon war. but just one critical word makes you blowing up? Could be a sign for undiscriminatory major fanatism. Better take care of that. Don't expect me to join you in that. No card blanche from me, no blind trust or unconditional support. "Israel" alone is not enough reason to do this or that. Only the answer to the question wether it acts are right, or wrong.

Next time, if you disagree, state your opposing opinion, and explain why you see it different. No problem for me. But if you begin to target people on personal levels, or try to drown them in an endless flood of links, do not expect to see no reaction.

and btw, although I do not remember if I have red that statement concerning Israeli nukes in one of van Crevelds writings too, I think I initially learned about it in an essay of one of the large newspapers over here, FAZ, or Die Zeit, and the source was some ex-pro of Israel's intel services. It was also on TV, several years ago. If van Creveld maybe is basing on that guy, i do not know.

There is also no official confirmation for Israel having nukes at all - but hardly anyone takes from that that Israel is not a nuclear power. Who was it who said something like that if Israel wants to survive it must behave like a rabied dog and must intimidate and bully anyone around to scare him to the bone? Sharon, when he was younger, i think, but I could be wrong. Targetting Europe makes sense for a nation that sees itself surrounded by enemies, it only is logical seen from a strategic perspective. Politically, it could turn into blackmailing in the case of very severe crisis that pushes Israel to the edge.

But hey, Britain, and France have nukes, too. It's kind of a balance.