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ReallyDedPoet 05-24-07 12:32 PM
Very nice work, what a change over Stock:yep:

RDP

DarkShip 05-24-07 01:22 PM
Will upl for Mraah, if needed, a "clean" stock PPI = Without the ugly script bearings on the scope perimeter (monitor brightness setting is high to show the fringe):




DS

Redwine 05-24-07 01:38 PM
Great Mraah !!! :up:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraah
4. New DDS = DXT5 Format - v1.2 of my mod were DXT3
What's the impove of DTX5 ?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraah
No worries .... I will include 2 variants of the background, one set of PPI's will have a black background, other set will have the darker green background as seen in previous posts above.
So good !

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Originally Posted by Mraah
Range Text Change .... I can make it any size you like.
The size of the original text is 256. My screen shot below is 512 (bigger the # the smaller the text size).
I need 128 then !

Did you discovered if the range text can be moved a little bit down ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraah
Range Selector Changes .... Since the "playing area" is no bigger than 40k why do we need a range of 80k???? It was useless, so the max setting is now 40k. I'm still tweaking the ranges ... I might make it 10|20|40.
Sound logical ... i vote for 10-20-40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraah
NOTE : As a seperate release, I will include a new tweak file that changes text size and range selection if you want to change that yourself.
This tweak not possible without Timetravellers Mini-Tweaker, thanks Timetraveller!!!
Great !


:damn::damn: @##$ i have problems with my internet conection today, the company is digitalizing the cable line and i have conection for few seconds it droops down...

Is V1.21 ready to download yet... ?

LukeFF 05-24-07 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraah
Regarding range selection ...

Fleet Submarine Manual show SJ ranges :

Ranges: 8,000, 20,000, 80,000 yd
Hmm?

I see this on Page 4-SJ-2:

Quote:
2. Sweep selector switch: (8,000, 40,000, 80,000 yards range).
...which is just like it is in-game. I would just use the default one made by DarkShip shown here, brighten the background, and use the bearing tick marks like in the image I've posted for the SK radar:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...nter_002-1.jpg

That, I think, is the best solution for a realistic SJ Radar display.

AVGWarhawk 05-24-07 06:22 PM
OK gents, when do we get the updated version?

Jace11 05-24-07 07:49 PM
Read his post... I think it says Monday 28th.... I dunno if I can wait that long. May have to make my own.

Mraah 05-24-07 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeFF
I see this on Page 4-SJ-2:

2. Sweep selector switch: (8,000, 40,000, 80,000 yards range).
...which is just like it is in-game. I would just use the default one made by DarkShip shown here, brighten the background, and use the bearing tick marks like in the image I've posted for the SK radar:
I couldn't find the 8/40/80 setting. Post a link to that page. Is it for the SJ-2? I figured we're working on the SJ and SJ-1, although the equipment could be the same none-the-less.

In your SK scope then, you'd like the Darkship color variant then? I'll slap something together and post it.

If range selection is important then I'll leave it at the default, it's not a problem. The tweak files will be available for those that want to change them.

Also, with your SC/SK-2 display, it shows range #'s as 4|8|12|16|20 and 15|30|45|60|75 ... however, the edge of the scope is 24 and 80 from the center. In this case, for your SC/SK-2 to display properly, you may need a range selector that would fit the #'s, like this :

Short ---- 8000
Medium ---24000
Long ------80000

Let me know. ;)
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wstaub 05-24-07 11:49 PM
I can't wait Mraah
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraah
V1.21 Expected release date : Monday 28th between 12pm-1159pm CST

-------------------------------
V1.21 New Features (so far) :
-------------------------------
1. Range Text Size Change - yeah, I figured out how to change the text size.
2. PPI Range Selector Changes - original (8|40|80), New (8|20|40).
3. All New PPI's -
a) scrapping the original 4.
b) all new ones will have black background (more realistic and easier on eyes :o )
c) New PPI's will include DarkShip Alpha Tip -
(1) Original Range Circles
(2) Redwing PPI
(3) LukeFF PPI
(4) ??????? <- suggestions welcome
4. New DDS = DXT5 Format - v1.2 of my mod were DXT3
-------------------------------
-------------------------------

No worries .... I will include 2 variants of the background, one set of PPI's will have a black background, other set will have the darker green background as seen in previous posts above.

Range Text Change .... I can make it any size you like.
The size of the original text is 256. My screen shot below is 512 (bigger the # the smaller the text size).

Range Selector Changes .... Since the "playing area" is no bigger than 40k why do we need a range of 80k???? It was useless, so the max setting is now 40k. I'm still tweaking the ranges ... I might make it 10|20|40.

NOTE : As a seperate release, I will include a new tweak file that changes text size and range selection if you want to change that yourself.
This tweak not possible without Timetravellers Mini-Tweaker, thanks Timetraveller!!!

V1.21 Screen Shot :
(1) Range Selector 8|20|40
(2) Text Size 512
(3) DarkShip Alpha @ 75%
(4) Black Background

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ST_8_20_40.jpg

Is this a winner ????:up:
:ping:
I want this version looks clean and very well made to me.

LukeFF 05-25-07 02:26 AM
Mrahh, go ahead and scrap the SK radar overlay idea, and just use the overlay DarkShip posted, with a tad bit more brightness. All you need to do, then is add numbers to that default overlay like follows: 5-10-15-20...and so on, like they are positioned on the SK radar screen.

In regards to your question, yes, the Radar Operator's Manual refers to both SJ and SJ-1 radar when talking about those range settings:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/radar/part4.htm#pgSJ-2

It's down a ways on the page, under PPI Indicator Unit.

Thanks again for your work on this!

Mraah 05-25-07 02:34 AM
LukeFF,

A modded SC/SK-2 display, ranges 8|22|80.
I had to use 22 to match the left-hand range scale.
Two variants, Green and Black.
In my opinion, black is more realistic ....

Firgure #1
1. Text Size default (256)
2. Green background.
3. Small radar contact mod.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...FF-green-3.jpg


Figure #2
1. Text Size default (256).
2. Black background.
3. Small radar contact mod.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s.../FF-Dark-3.jpg


I might have to adjust the alpha layer opacity a bit more, but it's not too bad :up: . I wish I could change the sweep color.

:ping:

Mraah 05-25-07 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeFF
Mrahh, go ahead and scrap the SK radar overlay idea, and just use the overlay DarkShip posted, with a tad bit more brightness. All you need to do, then is add numbers to that default overlay like follows: 5-10-15-20...and so on, like they are positioned on the SK radar screen.

In regards to your question, yes, the Radar Operator's Manual refers to both SJ and SJ-1 radar when talking about those range settings:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/radar/part4.htm#pgSJ-2

It's down a ways on the page, under PPI Indicator Unit.

Thanks again for your work on this!
Ok, cool I'll make the adjustments tomorrow as specified and post another screening.

:ping:

LukeFF 05-25-07 02:40 AM
Wow, looks good!

As for black being more realistic, apparently the early radar sets were known for being very bright, unlike today's radar sets, so I think the green background is more realistic. I think it needs more of a blueish-green tint like on the A-Scope display for it to look right.

LukeFF 05-25-07 02:43 AM
Oops, looks like we crossed posts there! :D You could always keep the SK radar display and make it an option, but yes, otherwise my comments above are still valid. Give that thing a good-ol' blueish-green tint, and I'll be ever grateful. :D

Mraah 05-25-07 03:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeFF
In regards to your question, yes, the Radar Operator's Manual refers to both SJ and SJ-1 radar when talking about those range settings:
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/radar/part4.htm#pgSJ-2
It's down a ways on the page, under PPI Indicator Unit.
Thanks again for your work on this!
LukeFF,

Ok, I read the page. One thing you did overlook, and that this ...

Range-indicator unit.
4. Sweep control: determines the length of sweep on the scope.
(a) Main sweep: 0 to 60,000 yards.
(b) Expanded sweep: 0 to 20,000 yards.
(c) Precision sweep: 3,000 yards (1,500 yards each side of the range step).

This is totally different from a selector switch. Think of the selector switch as a "quick" basic setting, and the sweep control as a fine tune. I spent a year in the USAF looking at a PPI in Iceland and we had several range selections, but we could fine tune it with the sweep control. It's like a ZOOM/UNZOOM at the current selected range.

If this equipment falls along the same lines then we might not be straying too far from reality when we don't want to use 80k. Just a thought. Again, it's your PPI design and I don't mind setting it up as per your specs :D . We've got till Monday to get a basic design out the door and then we can tweak and such as time goes by.

:ping:

Mraah 05-25-07 03:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeFF
Wow, looks good!

As for black being more realistic, apparently the early radar sets were known for being very bright, unlike today's radar sets, so I think the green background is more realistic. I think it needs more of a blueish-green tint like on the A-Scope display for it to look right.
Ok, a blueish green background then, plus a bit more alpha adjustment for the edges. Do you like the ranges by the way? Let me know what ranges you'd prefer and I'll mod the scale to fit. I still think you want 8|40|80.


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