That's one of the ironies of the whole problem. Some say it's difficult to prove, and others say we should act yesterday, and there's no time to wait and see.

Personally I don't see what is so unclear about the whole thing. What is unclear is exactly how much of an impact human climate change will have. But what should be crystal clear is that we have infact damaged our atmosphere somewhat.

The gasseous makeup of our current atmosphere is different to that of 50, and in turn of 100 years ago. There are now more greenhouse gasses than before, and this is easily measurable. A natural process? Unfortunately not... at least for the most part.

Carbon dioxide is to trees and plants, what oxygen is to us. When plants photosynthesise (breathe it in, in our terms), they remove the carbon from the atmosphere, setting free the O2, which most should regognise as oxygen. If the plants are doing their job, there should'nt be an atmosphereic increase in CO2.

The fact that there are slightly less trees than there were a couple of hundred years ago only has a minor effect on this. This can be fixed again by planting more, and letting them trap the carbon again.

The real problem is fossil fuels. Fossil fuel is so called, because it really is that old. Fossil fuel is the reamains of organic matter trapped millions of years ago. But we happenend to find out that coal und oil make awesome energy.

So what is happening, is that we are releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere that is not naturally supposed to be there. It was meant to stay underground.

So it is only logical that the atmosphere has chnged since we started using fossil fuels.
It is also known that the carbon dioxide gas given off traps heat.

So I don't understand in this regard, how global warming can be unclear.

I think most scientists agree on global warming, because given what we've done, it must be happeing. The real issue is, is how bad it's going to affect us, and that is where the experts don't agree.

Game over let's all get drunk. :()1:

Its just the cycles the earth goes through...

Somebody has just figured out away to make money off of it. I call it "Environmental Terrorism".

:sunny:

Did you read my posts or do you just choose to be ignorant?

Settle down Boris ... you made a very good post. A lot of good points were in your post. For example:

You hit the nail on the head, but what can we do about it? Notice the huge oil profits USA has made in the last year alone, but even the general public would get mad if they started spending to reduce emissions ... due to the fact that the cost would be passed on to the general public so they could retain their huge profits.

What do they do with all of that money anyway ... to be a profit they have already taken out their overhead, right?

Ask Singapore what the problem is and they will tell you as soon as they can see to read their paper again. The entire city is wrapped up in smog ... the smog is like a magnifying glass for the sun ... resulting in global warming. Just a theory of course. :yep:

Desperation is the chief cause for this campaign of intimidation. The Kyoto accords are failing to curtail greenhouse gas emissions in a serious way, and although it is convenient to blame Bush, anyone who follows the Kyoto evasions of the Europeans knows better. The Chinese will soon eclipse the United States as world's largest greenhouse gas emitter, depriving the gas-rationers of one of their favorite sticks for beating up Americans. The economics of steep, near-term emissions cuts are forbidding--though that's one consensus the climate crusaders ignore. Robert Samuelson nailed it in his syndicated column last week: "Don't be fooled. The dirty secret about global warming is this: We have no solution."

http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Con...3/275tmktp.asp

Great, so we're stuffed :-?

Of course we are stuffed....

America has been so arrogant about global warming up until recently. I loved Bushs comment that it "wouldnt be a good deal for america" to cut back on its CO2 emissions.

Sadly now that america is finaly thinking about pulling its finger out, China is pouring out immense amounts of pollution and is apparantly going to be out polluting the US in a few years.

China also seems to have no interest in cutting back on its emmisions and will keep growing.

The UK and europe have been trying to combat this issue for some time now but sadly as long as the superpowers like China and US keep up their output we are about to hit the peek of no return :nope:

We all die, it's not an 'if' question, it's a 'when' question.
based on the global warming argument the human race will end in a whimper instead of a bang. Some, those watching the doomsday clock, would consider that a good thing.

I see you are still using electricity. You contribute to the problem. How is that for an inconvenient truth?

Theres no doubt that the UK still contributes... i never said it didnt. We still have cars pumping out CO2 and loads of other polluting factors. Point is we are trying to change this... Car manufacturing companies have been give a deadline to cut down at least 20% emissions on their products in the next few years. there are taxes on 4x4s and new products being produced which create less and less pollution.

America on the other hand is still in no possition to cut back. cars like the H2 are rediculos gas guzzlers and its industry is bleeding the planet of resources then pumping the leftovers into the environment.

To say america is not the major problem in the global warming crisis is just stupid.....

Only if you contribute global warming to human activity. I have yet to be convinced. Mars is warming also.

PS when I say 'you' I don't mean the UK, I mean you personally. If you feel so strongly then perhaps you are willing to make a sacrafice?

Those martian Tripods dont run on pixi dust you know :rotfl:

Help we're all going to die. :eek:

boys boys boys
 

My turn, didnt you guysread my posts
action is how we fight despair
but we arent really looking
at the big picture when we
focus on a small issue like
life altering global climate change.
its time to leave now that
we are capable of concieving it.
after that all planets will be
disposable.

MM