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Dr.Sid 02-06-07 11:26 AM

If you want to play fair, play Akula vs. Akula or SW vs. SW. :|\\

Bera 02-06-07 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid
If you want to play fair, play Akula vs. Akula or SW vs. SW. :|\\

Thatīs just it: the real world isnīt fair; all nations have their naval assets, and, of course, some war machines are better than others. The main concearn of SCS, in my opinion, is to provide us all of the "realism" we can get. And if realism must come throughout mods, then Iīll install them, as MY CHOICE.

Very much fuzz in this topic for nothing. And Iīm playing with LAWMI (still no patch 1.04 on STEAM), and thatīs great for me, since I donīt shoot my torpedoes over the line of horizon, because much of the fun in this game is to get near your "prey" with a good and steady firing solution.

Molon Labe 02-06-07 02:07 PM

You know, when you just post the same message 3 times, including twice in the same thread, it's pretty obvious that you're not participating in the discourse but that you're just trolling.:down:

Captain Sub 02-06-07 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Luftwolf
LWAMI adds 1000's of hours of work on a game whose publisher simply doesn't have the time to do finishing.

ridiculous, simply ridiculous.

Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

LuftWolf 02-06-07 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
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Originally Posted by Luftwolf
LWAMI adds 1000's of hours of work on a game whose publisher simply doesn't have the time to do finishing.

ridiculous, simply ridiculous.

Honestly, your opinion carries no weight here.

You have demonstrated that yourself.

Understand that you aren't going to get much sympathy or agreement coming to SubSim and claiming you have no belief in a project that most people who post here have been using since September 2005.

That's like saying you don't believe in evolution. :cool:

It's your right, but then don't go around claiming to be a scientist.

Cheers,
David

Bera 02-06-07 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe
You know, when you just post the same message 3 times, including twice in the same thread, it's pretty obvious that you're not participating in the discourse but that you're just trolling.:down:

Wow! Not many friendly simmers around this topic (or in this forum, after all)...

LuftWolf 02-06-07 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bera
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Originally Posted by Molon Labe
You know, when you just post the same message 3 times, including twice in the same thread, it's pretty obvious that you're not participating in the discourse but that you're just trolling.:down:

Wow! Not many friendly simmers around this topic (or in this forum, after all)...

I think it's worth noting that this thread reflects a forum invasion by members of certain fleet with a bone to pick. You'll notice that most people on one side of the conversation have less than 30 posts here, and most are about this topic.

I wouldn't let it reflect on Subsim at large.

Cheers,
David

LuftWolf 02-06-07 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

All of the above.

For example, did you know that 35% of the military aircraft and helos do not have proper radar and ESM gear in the database (Read: NONE)? This means they will not react to a radar guided missiles and fly head-on into the teeth of enemy air defenses.

Do you really believe the SH60F has no ESM for radar beam detection?

Well, I just fixed that issue today, and a few others.

I also added TIW messages for underwater missile launches, and added the MK60 CAPTOR Torpedo Mine to the P-3, and that was just today.

The list of examples is truly endless.

Cheers,
David

goldorak 02-06-07 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
ridiculous, simply ridiculous.

Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

My dear german friend, take a look at the changes between DW 1.0 and DW 1.04.
We have gone from an arcade game to something resembling a simulation.

You don't like 1.04 ?
Fair enough, but don't blame Luftwolf.
Take that up to SCS.

1.03 was a patch that broke more things than it fixed.
1.02 was a good patch (the sonar model was improved dramatically)
1.01 were only little bugfixes
1.0 was a beta.

You want to go back playing something pre 1.04 ?
Fine, play a bug-ridden, broken physics model version.
No one will blame you for that. ;)

And last but not least, there are tools freely available that enable you and your friends to mod the game to your level.
So you see, you have lot of options to regain the ufo-like advantage of the seawolf over the other subs in the game.
You know what, maybe in the next patch we will make the SW not detectable by sonar, so you'll keep getting easy kills against akulas and 688i. :rotfl:

Captain Sub 02-06-07 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

All of the above.

For example, did you know that 35% of the military aircraft and helos do not have proper radar and ESM gear in the database (Read: NONE)? This means they will not react to a radar guided missiles and fly head-on into the teeth of enemy air defenses.

Do you really believe the SH60F has no ESM for radar beam detection?

Well, I just fixed that issue today, and a few others.

I also added TIW messages for underwater missile launches, and added the MK60 CAPTOR Torpedo Mine to the P-3, and that was just today.

The list of examples is truly endless.

Cheers,
David

Now great man, do you believe the US navy reveals their top secret datas about how fast their torpedos can go for example?
Do you really believe their best seawolf torpedo may it be ADCAP48 goes 55kts max like it's told to us on wikipedia?
Do you really believe russia are the only ones out there with super cavitative torpedos aboard do you?
How unsmart do you have to be to not realize that.

If the USA invented an actual antigravity device and built a new aircraft fleet of planes with the device aboard you will never know and the next game-improver,3rd party add-oner etc. ( just like you anyways ) will still edit the F-14 rofl.

goldorak 02-06-07 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Now great man, do you believe the US navy reveals their top secret datas about how fast their torpedos can go for example?
Do you really believe their best seawolf torpedo may it be ADCAP48 goes 55kts max like it's told to us on wikipedia?
How unsmart do you have to be to not realize that.

Nobody has exact figures. Not you, not Luftwulf etc...
But, and this is a point you continue to ignore we can have estimates on the characteristics of certain weapons, platforms, etc...
Estimates based on Jane's, the USNI and other public available sources.

So I ask you, do you have any sources that estimate the performance of the adcap48 to the figures we had in the original 1.0 database ?
Do you have sources that say that the seawolf can go at 40 knots ?

Lets talk data my friend.
All else is meaningless.

LuftWolf 02-06-07 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

All of the above.

For example, did you know that 35% of the military aircraft and helos do not have proper radar and ESM gear in the database (Read: NONE)? This means they will not react to a radar guided missiles and fly head-on into the teeth of enemy air defenses.

Do you really believe the SH60F has no ESM for radar beam detection?

Well, I just fixed that issue today, and a few others.

I also added TIW messages for underwater missile launches, and added the MK60 CAPTOR Torpedo Mine to the P-3, and that was just today.

The list of examples is truly endless.

Cheers,
David

Now great man, do you believe the US navy reveals their top secret datas about how fast their torpedos can go for example?
Do you really believe their best seawolf torpedo may it be ADCAP48 goes 55kts max like it's told to us on wikipedia?
Do you really believe russia are the only ones out there with super cavitative torpedos aboard do you?
How unsmart do you have to be to not realize that.

If the USA invented an actual antigravity device and built a new aircraft fleet of them you will never know and the next game-improver,3rd party add-oner etc. will still edit the F-14 rofl.

All critiques that have exactly nothing to do with my project.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm doing... so what is there to say?

I hope you are enjoying your purchase of DW. As a member of the DW Beta team, I've worked hard to ensure you have a quality product. Thank you for your feedback, you are a valued SCS customer, and we look forward to brinding you new and exciting naval simulation products in the future.

Cheers,
David

sonar732 02-06-07 03:01 PM

As it's been stated multiple times...if you have other, credible data...then utilize it!

Why can't certain people understand that SCS gave us (civilians) a game that has basic information in which can be improved upon without them actually doing it and getting in trouble for revealing too much classified information?:damn::damn::nope::nope::stare::stare: :roll::roll::roll:

Captain Sub 02-06-07 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

All of the above.

For example, did you know that 35% of the military aircraft and helos do not have proper radar and ESM gear in the database (Read: NONE)? This means they will not react to a radar guided missiles and fly head-on into the teeth of enemy air defenses.

Do you really believe the SH60F has no ESM for radar beam detection?

Well, I just fixed that issue today, and a few others.

I also added TIW messages for underwater missile launches, and added the MK60 CAPTOR Torpedo Mine to the P-3, and that was just today.

The list of examples is truly endless.

Cheers,
David

Now great man, do you believe the US navy reveals their top secret datas about how fast their torpedos can go for example?
Do you really believe their best seawolf torpedo may it be ADCAP48 goes 55kts max like it's told to us on wikipedia?
Do you really believe russia are the only ones out there with super cavitative torpedos aboard do you?
How unsmart do you have to be to not realize that.

If the USA invented an actual antigravity device and built a new aircraft fleet of them you will never know and the next game-improver,3rd party add-oner etc. will still edit the F-14 rofl.

All critiques that have exactly nothing to do with my project.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm doing... so what is there to say?

I hope you are enjoying your purchase of DW. As a member of the DW Beta team, I've worked hard to ensure you have a quality product. Thank you for your feedback, you are a valued SCS customer, and we look forward to brinding you new and exciting naval simulation products in the future.

Cheers,
David

are you trying to scare me now by your shine-mightyness or what?

I know what you are doing + all your arguments have errors in it, one time you talk about realism another time you mention it to be fairplay in the same TOPIC, so realism=not balance
It just shows up there is something major wrong with this.

LuftWolf 02-06-07 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Sub
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Originally Posted by LuftWolf
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Quote:

Originally Posted by LuftWolf
Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Sub
Are you saying that you are basically finishing or improving or doing add-ons to DW?

All of the above.

For example, did you know that 35% of the military aircraft and helos do not have proper radar and ESM gear in the database (Read: NONE)? This means they will not react to a radar guided missiles and fly head-on into the teeth of enemy air defenses.

Do you really believe the SH60F has no ESM for radar beam detection?

Well, I just fixed that issue today, and a few others.

I also added TIW messages for underwater missile launches, and added the MK60 CAPTOR Torpedo Mine to the P-3, and that was just today.

The list of examples is truly endless.

Cheers,
David

Now great man, do you believe the US navy reveals their top secret datas about how fast their torpedos can go for example?
Do you really believe their best seawolf torpedo may it be ADCAP48 goes 55kts max like it's told to us on wikipedia?
Do you really believe russia are the only ones out there with super cavitative torpedos aboard do you?
How unsmart do you have to be to not realize that.

If the USA invented an actual antigravity device and built a new aircraft fleet of them you will never know and the next game-improver,3rd party add-oner etc. will still edit the F-14 rofl.

All critiques that have exactly nothing to do with my project.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm doing... so what is there to say?

I hope you are enjoying your purchase of DW. As a member of the DW Beta team, I've worked hard to ensure you have a quality product. Thank you for your feedback, you are a valued SCS customer, and we look forward to brinding you new and exciting naval simulation products in the future.

Cheers,
David

are you trying to scare me now by your shine-mightyness or what?

I know what you are doing + all your arguments have errors in it, one time you talk about realism another time you mention it to be fairplay in the same TOPIC, so realism=not balance
It just shows up there is something major wrong with this.

I agree with you.

In fact, my own bias is demonstrated in the readme for my mod, near the top of the first page:
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The purpose of this mod is, straightforwardly, to address the aspects of DW game-play that most bother its authors, while improving the simulation experience and fixing bugs, without introducing any new ones.
So, I guess you got me.

But nothing has gotten any better for you, your game is still the same, and you have not made any progress towards fixing those issues that most bother you.

Five minutes with DWedit and your game would be exactly as you desire.

Enjoy your game! :)

Cheers,
David


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