...thats where gameplay comes into its finest, trying to do something that seems difficult or impossible. Wouldn't you agree?

Cheers,

I can agree on that and I wouldn't mind to command the Narwhal, but the DEVs have to decide it and I can understand why they don't want to include it.
You don't have to agree with them but you have to accept it and don't moan and nagg.:p

EDIT: What the heck does this avatar of a fat asian communist sailor mean?:o

“1. The water around Midway is DEEP, so there it was safeer to attack a TF.”

The battle of Midway took place in the Pacific during WWII. I don’t think SH IV means to negate such actions from game play.

“2. I've seen the Marines on board a sub, but I didn't read that the player has to conduct such raids. Until I hear that I think that is just eye-candy.”

Here you go:

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh4/sh4_interview1.php

SH4 Survey Questions by the Subsim Community
August 23, 2006

“Subsim: The original Silent Hunter included special missions such as pilot rescue and reconnaissance. Are these type of objectives planned for SH4?

"SH4 Dev Team: SH4 will have both lifeguard duty and photo recon missions. And these will not be the only special missions in the game. You can expect commando insertions or supply drops to be required by HQ.”

The Narwhal class did all those missions.

“I still firmly believe that we have to attack shipping in shallow water and the V-class is just too big and clumsy to evade escorts in these waters”

And yet the Narwhal survived such actions as well as the war. On one patrol, over 50 depth charges were dropped her way not to mention bombs from two air attacks.

I am sorry but, did you miss the fact that the Narwhal class has a draft that is THREE AND HALF FEET LESS than the Gato class. Rhetorical Question coming: What boat do you think would make it over a reef easier?

Put ALL the US WWII subs in SHIV and BEEF up your computers ( also probably wait another year for SHIV to hit the shelves ? ) :roll:

But on another note here is something I thought was interesting, USS S25 in 1935 dove to 213 ft and recieved this certificate.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/cert1.jpg

A closer look:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/cert2.jpg

Deep dive certificate close up.
date of dive is given as Febuary 28, 1935
at 213 feet in depth at lat. 20 - 44 - 54N
and long 156 - 35 - 57 W off Lahaina, territory of Hawaii.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...an/s-25sta.jpg
Pretty cool ;)

Where shall I start???
Ok, we can expect extra missions like incerting commandos, that's fine. But do you expect that the devs create the Narwhal just for these missions that most probably will occur from time to time? I agree with you that these subs were used in shallow waters but for COVERT OPERATIONS where they wren't allowed to attack ships, thus the size didn't matter.
To me SH4 is all about sinking ships in shallow water, and to be honest: I don't want to go in shallow waters with the Narwhal. Do you know how fricking dangerous it is to go hunting in shallow water with a IX? It's deadly and it will be even more dangerous with a Gato class sub. With a pig like the Narwhal I wouldn't want to go hunting in such waters.
One finall thought: The US Navy had far more sub classes than Germany, so I guess the devs had to decide which they do not include.

We are talking Pacific here not the Atlantic. Allied ASW was far more superior then that of the IJN. The Pacific was way bigger, and the ships were not arranged in huge Atlantic type convoys. The IJN escort command was much smaller and way more spread out than its Allied Atlantic counterpart.


That bit about not being allowed to shoot at ships and such conflicts with the actual historical events.


Narwhal’s 12th war patrol June to July 1944.

"After hasty voyage repairs in Darwin, Narwhal loaded cargo and supplies for a trip to the Dutch East Indies. Departing on her twelfth war patrol (10 June-7 July), she sailed for Ceram Island and a reconnaissance of the Japanese-held petroleum facilities at Bula. Submerging off that port on 13 June, she sighted a large two-mast schooner standing east out of the bay with other schooners anchored in the harbor. Concluding these ships were carrying oil to Japanese garrisons in the region, the submarine spent the rest of the day conducting a careful reconnaissance of the town, fixing the position of oil storage tanks, a boiler house and pipeline pumping station. That night Narwhal closed the shore and fired 56 rounds of 6-inch projectiles into these targets, destroying three gasoline and oil storage tanks and setting fires around the power-house and pumping station area. When enemy shore batteries worked shell splashes to within several hundred yards, the crew secured her guns and “advanced away from the enemy.” Ships’ company was gratified to see the glare from the flames at Bula as far away as two-dozen miles.

Cruising north to Panay, she moved off Lipata Point and surfaced at sunset on 20 June to rendezvous with local boats. The presence of a nearby Japanese garrison proved worrisome for the nine and a half hours it took to unload her cargo and four passengers, however, and the crew departed with 14 evacuees embarked with some relief. The still loud and smoky engines attracted a Japanese sub chaser to her wake but the slow craft was thrown off her trail in the early morning darkness. Narwhal came across powered sailboat No. 2 Shinsu Maru southwest of Culasi a few hours later and sank her with 6-inch gunfire. Turning for home, the submarine sailed into the Sulu Sea and, after dodging past two small escorts, damaged Japanese tanker Itsukushima Maru with two torpedoes on the 22d"

Not exactly the picture you paint now is it?

Sub classes in SH III opposed to SH IV:

II, VII, IX B, IX D*, XXI

S, P, Salmon, Tambor, Gato.

IMHO: I don’t think one more class, when the overall game engine is the same, is too much to ask for. From an improvement stand point, should it not contain more than its predecessors besides just eye candy.

I think we all can agree that it'd be nice to have the V class in the game!

I also agree that if we can pressure the devs to plug it in, we should try hard!

I just hope people don't make its lack sound like such a game-breaker. I mean, these are nice vessels and all, but of all the classes, I'm sure this one is the most optional, and if there's one we can do without, this is probably it.

This is just like the debate about the British/Dutch subs - sure they had their role out there, no less than the V class! But the devs decided that these were outside the scope, too (much to the disappontment of some).

If we can get them all, though, let's!

I'm not against the V-class at all, I'm just the advocatus diaboli here.;)
One final statement:
1. I've read that we're going to get 6 sub classes, although they did not mention their names (could be that they see Gato and Balao as different classes although they were quite similar).

2. We can expect the Japanese to be far more better than in reality because otherwise the game could be to easy.

I would be happy if the V-class would be included but only if the gameplay still gets the attention from the devs it deserves.

I don't want to know:doh: Maybe all of those "submarine " jokes aren't really jokes.:dead:

Nice point KLC.:up:

I think the cruiser concept was much more feasible in the the vast Pacific given the level and number of the oposition. Just another reason the Narwhal class should be included. :ping::ping: :ping:

Adding subs of another nation is quite different than adding another US sub: besides new interiors/exterior of the sub, one needs lots of research, voices, onboard systems such as radars or sonars, weapon, periscope and TDC implementation, and then some work on doctrine, usage, objectives and bases.

They can sink things:o?

Simple enough. Just play the game in a sauna. For those of us who have them, nyah:up:.

I hope that means that more US sub classes will be added like----------

THE NARWHAL!:yep: :yep: :ahoy: