I have voted in every election, general, local and euros since 1983 but i may give this one a miss.

Rest assure, Brexiteers won't.

What's new? I knew this was going to happen the second May's option failed the first time. I am voting for the Brexit party because we were lied to. The rotten liar's are Westminster who wrote it into law we would leave the EU on March 29th 2019 with or without a deal, the deal was rejected and we are still in the EU. How can anyone trust that lot at Westminster ever again.

^ so you vote for those who lied to you. Makes so much sense.
But hey 've got an idea what you can do with your rotten fish right after brexit: Place it all fair and square in Mr. Farage's face, with 9,81 m/sec^2.
Thank you.

I found it a laugh at the time and blown up by The Telegraph newspaper.

Care to enlighten us as to which party doesn't lie? :hmmm:
Both the Tory and Labours most recent manifesto's were pretty much the stuff of fantasy.
At this point I hope people vote for anyone but those two, LibDem Ukip, Greens, i don't even like those three either but at this point I don't care, those two need to learn a lesson.
All they seem to care about is their own party preservation.

^ On that we can both agree Francis :yep:

Disappointed but not really surprised.

How do you work that one out? The Brexit party is a brand new party, I'm voting for them as said in my post Parliament lied to us. My vote is against Parliament and their handling of the whole Brexit situation. For better or worst we should have left on March 29th this year with or without a deal and Parliament thinks we the voters work for them! WRONG WRONG WRONG, THEY WORK FOR US.

This debacle has gone way belong Brexit and the big two Cons/Lab have failed. It's time for these dinosaurs to get out of town they have had their day and failed.


Hear hear. :salute:

^ who stands for the new brexit party, or founded it? All the old names.
Blaiklock. And now Rees-Mogg and Farage. While it may be that Mogg is 'misguided' by having read and uncritically believed in the book his father wrote, Farage is a fear mongerer, a xenophobe, a hater, an egomanic self-righteous hypocrite, clearly untrustworthy and completely unsympathetic. If we did not know that Farage is Farage, he would be in an asylum.
But maybe he will rise to be your great leader, who knows with Russia, Rupert Murdoch, Aaron Banks and Steve Bannon in the background, assisted by Cambridge Analytica and other oh so trustworthy entities.


https://i.imgur.com/aKHNwZ2l.jpg


You have been lied to and betrayed by the brexiters, what the Tories then did was just trying to find an answer where there is none. Labour would have been worse, what the then-brexit party did, we all saw. Run Nigel, run. And Johnson.

So the goal for the new brexit party is brexit and only brexit, and again there is no one who is making any plan for the time after. And I take it if this party wins, the first to quit and run will be Farage, again.

It is exactly this what currently changes the international view on England, and what everybody sees is not pretty.

I share the US concern but wonder if it has something to do with the current trade war between the US and China.

AS I SAID.

I would say about 80%. :03:

With all this brexit chaos i would love to find the rock toffboy as crawled under...:timeout:

^ it is about trade war, and the chinese silk road.
Huawei has been open to foreign probes, visits and has explained all, they claim that there is no involvement by the chinese government, and up to now there is no other evidence.
Clear that you can of course intercept and read eMails and chats and digital signals, but the underlying code and protocol of the technical 5G net is not so complicated that it cannot be seen through.

As far as german specialists are involved, there is no backdoor or digital spy. Of course encrypted signals can be deciphered given computing power and time, but 5G itself, meaning the hardware and the protocol, is open for everyone to look at. The problem begins when you direct encrypted data through it, but the current hubbub is as if you say that electrical powerlines alone are spying on you.

After reading a lot of technical stuff about 5G i also wonder where the evidence is, of 'backdoors' or spyware. As far as i know the first claim has been properly debunked. As said before, anything can be intercepted, no encryption will be safe if the leading secret services get their hands on it.

"It is hard to imagine that unnoticed in this way, all data that goes through a network, could be forwarded to unauthorized persons. The corresponding data volume would be enormous and correspondingly conspicuous. More plausible is the risk that data can be filtered via the remote maintenance access, for example by data type, sender or recipient; the corresponding amounts of data would probably not attract attention in large networks.

In this way, one could actually engage in political or economic espionage.

In fact, it was the concern of that very kind of espionage that led the federal government, after the Snowden revelations, to stop using products from the US company Verizon on the government and federal government network."


"The supreme irony of what is being claimed is that while the U.S. government is warning all the world to avoid using Chinese-made phones, especially those made by Huawei and ZTE, the NSA was caught implanting backdoor software in Huawei servers with a goal of spying on Huawei and its customers."

There is always a concern about non declared capabilities.


For example we are trying to build up domestic production for key infrastructure projects such as:
- government and military C4 networks.
- government admin network.
- networks for key research and industrial (ie in nuclear sector) organisations.
- internal ISP networks (ie the ones reponsible for control of the general service networks).
etc.
https://habr.com/ru/post/300766/
But for civilian/consumer purposes we do use imported (Western and Chinese) equipment, even though there were cases in the past (Lybia, Syria) where cyber attacks used undeclared functionality to significantly disrupt their operations.

What trust? She is a walking disaster, bogged up in the Home Office bogged up as Tory leader and PM and bogged up Brexit! And still Teflon Bog up May is still here and why? There is no one to replace her that I can see.


JUST SAW SOME BREAKING NEWS......

So good to know that the Chinese always say just the truth, Catfish.



I have linked one or two weeks ago to an explanation about the 5G network and the risks that may or may not be involved from a technical standpoint, but I do not really care to look it up for you again, since you will ignore unwelcomed challenges to your worldview anyway, as usual. It is more dangerous than you imply, and not as immediate a danger than the US paints it as - but it is a risk for sure, many experts from different nations agree on that, and quite some nations agree on that and have Huawei already banned. Like Windows can be safely assumed to have hidden ackdoors demanded by the US govenrment, the Chinese would be stupid if not using the opportunity to infiltrate Western networks with their technology in return. Its too tmepting to be able to overhear Wetsern key communication at critical points of the infrastructure, or to be able to wreak havoc on said infratrriucture in case of an according future scenario where China sees that opötion as profitable for its interests.

Skybird, the problem of network equipment vulnerability has been studied in Russia for a long time.


The conclusion is that unless the equipment is used for critical roles then the vulnerabilities you describe are not relevant, especially considering the modern shift towards secure encryption everywhere outside of subsim forums via HTTPS etc. As such we are ok with using Western (or Chinese) in non critical, civilian applications.
And considering the Western cyberpower we would be the first to re-consider that use if there was a real issue.

Whooe! I could feel Sky's frustration with you Catfish and I love both of you ... good post Sky:up: