What makes Sturgeon so sure if Scotland went independent of the rest of the UK the result Scotland remains in the EU? The EU has made it very clear if Scotland did that they will automatically be out of the EU and will have to ask the EU to rejoin as a new independent country. Of course the EU may fast track them back into the club if they so choose.

Too many ifs and buts atm, crikey, it doesn't look like the UK will be leaving the EU any time soon the way things are currently going.

The words EU and fast track certainly get me wondering if and how often this is ever achieved.

I would say Mr. Mogg is living in a parallel universe to the rest of the UK and on a further note, I personally cannot see any end to this whole Brexit debacle that would be acceptable to both sides of the debate.

One Russian expert - Puhov, head of Russian think tank CAST, is sceptical if EU would last long due to aging and migrational pressures.
google translated version:
https://www.tvc.ru/video/iframe/id/1...show/id/159380

It would appear Steptoe is starting to get some serious flack from those within his own party. It is long overdue that he shows his true colours regarding Brexit because it is common knowledge he has been anti-EU for two decades or more.

I so very very much must agree. As a matter of fact in the longer run I already have written off Europe. Age and demography are powers you cannot bypass. Europe lacks own vitality. Blood infusions from the ME and africa only turn Europe into the ME and Africa.

^ Oh Putin, perfect saint of freedom and peace, come and save Europe from its folly.

We have our own problems that need fixing.

The concern this expert has is how instability in Europe may affect Russia and our allies.

While I doubt that we are quite at the stage where we need to prepare for waves of European refugees or repell German armoured spearheads (sarcasm) a wave of authoritarian leftists is not something we like after our own Soviet experience.

The wave of european refugees invading Russia :hmmm:
German armoured spearheads, well :03: :haha:
Authoritarian leftists after .. Stalin. You must have taken some of Skybird's drugs to compare Stalinism with the EU? Not that Stalin was 'left' in any regard. Weren't he and his successors all dictators?

Left authoritarianism exists.

Indeed it does, in many different facets. From the military dictatorship in Venezuela to the left-leaning opinion dictate of media, politics and civil society in Germany that rules out and even sanctions any differing view or opinion that does oppose the mandatory consenus: it looks different, but its all symptoms of one and the same root evil. When consensus becomes mandatory (or in modern plain Merkel-German: "alternativlos/without any alternative") and gets enforced in totality, what is left then is tyranny.

I won't go quite so far as you do, skybird though :D

There is no half-way interruption, no early brake. You either think it consistently to the end of it, or you don't - and thus must ot even start. Much of the present'S mess is from too much of this shilly-shally egg-dancing around the original meaning of terms, this intended relabelling of things and qualities to hide higher from lower value, maeterially and morally, culturaly as well. Alll must become "relative" so that no hierarchical structuring can be done anymore and thus all and everything and everybody can be claimed of being of the same base value and essence. Socialism becomes "social justice", planned economy becomes "social market economy", and socialism and communism are claimed to be different while truth is they relate to each other like cloud, water and ice, In principle its all the same.


The lief has become the new deity. And dancing around it and believing it, is a collective duty and the citizen's first obligation. Don't join, and media and public opinion and influencers and PR specialssts will excommunicate you immediateky and declare open season on you.


It is beign illustrtaed to be like that every single dan day over here, wqhenever I oen any newspaper or zap into any talkshow format. Public edcuation at schools and universities is is heavily infested with this that you cannot escape feeling that it all is hopeless.


Its extremely desillusionizing. Here the campaign for the EU electiosn has started. The stupid talking skyrockets into the air, the posters along the streets show great diversity in saying all the some thing: "Hello, we are still here, and we are as stupid and dumb as always before: come and join us!"


An this stupidity is not just passively there and is not just dumb: it actively hunts down others not falling for it and brings them down and then devours them. More and more tutors and teachers at universitys learn that living amongst predatory stupids, is dangerous and can ruin the material, economic basis of your mere existence.


No ikalugin, either tthink it to the end, or do not even start thinking. Any compromise is just your approval to get corrupted. And by that you corrupt and censor free thinking itself.

Said like a true radical.


I am a mere moderate though. I respect your individual choice though.

I see. Trying to be consistent, disqualifies you to be a "radical", and corrupting argument and straight thought, enobles you to be a "moderate".

Certainly explains why so many luke-warm promise-raisers and straightout fraudsters and plunderers can make it to rank and fame in politics and maximise the damages they cause, always at the longterm cost of the people.

Since this is so, I rather be as radical as is possible for me to achieve. I may loose on society that way, but I keep my integrity that way. And of the two, the latter is so much more worth to me.

Back on topic though, any news on BREXIT? Is it still in the air or is it dead now?

And not before time.

An interesting (IMHO) and well written article taking in the opinions of both sides of the divide.

I wonder how many and how high the bets placed on the outcome??:hmmm:

Here we have a classic example of the Totries inflicting yet more self harm on themselves :nope: