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Buddahaid 02-13-21 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by August (Post 2729732)
I didn't make that claim. I just see that you don't have a problem with slipping "the blade in" just as long as it is cloaked in niceties and that to me is a prime example of what is wrong with the nation.
It was a figure of speech but I'll accept that and would point out that it's been a part of this nation for a very long time.

Buddahaid 02-13-21 11:46 AM
Witnesses are going to be called now and there is a phone call between Trump and McCarthy on the sixth that appears relevant.

Commander Wallace 02-13-21 12:11 PM
I don't normally get into the politics thread because quite honestly, there is much I don't know. I found a Youtube video yesterday in which the Trup Lawyers showed the Dems had edited video's in support of their charges and arguments. This morning, that Youtube video has disappeared. I find that quite troubling.


I did find a little of it.This is but a small piece of the much larger video I saw or perhaps others viewed real time in their entirety.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDN1YU1903s




Edit : Here is the video I saw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfJaxhA4sP8

August 02-13-21 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2729755)
It was a figure of speech but I'll accept that and would point out that it's been a part of this nation for a very long time.

Which is why we need bring in outsiders to break up the cabal. If not the flawed Trump then someone else, but our politicians should not be professionals. The swamp exists. It continually grows larger and more oppressive and now we're allowing secret cabals of bureaucrats and oligarchs to "fortify" election results.



https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Buddahaid 02-13-21 12:59 PM
No witnesses will be called. Everybody is afraid of the dirt that would be brought out. :haha:

3catcircus 02-13-21 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2729789)
No witnesses will be called. Everybody is afraid of the dirt that would be brought out. :haha:

Yep - they're more afraid of their own dirty deeds being exposed moreso than trying to "convict" a private citizen in a sham "trial."



Constitutional scholars have already stated that Congress has no jurisdiction to impeach someone already out of office, let alone convict them. What could they possible do to him? The moment they try something that they think would be legally-binding is they moment they find themselves in a real court of law.

Buddahaid 02-13-21 02:33 PM
It's been done before with a couple judges I think.

3catcircus 02-13-21 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2729834)
It's been done before with a couple judges I think.

It's been done before with a senator, a governor and a secretary of war.


The difference is that they *resigned* or were *expelled* before their term was up - *and* they were not convicted except in the case of a governor under a state constitution rather than the US constitution - whose wife became governor.



The best part of the whole sham is that the constitution itself is abundantly clear "When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present."


So - he isn't President during the trial but they are trying him for when he was President, so the Chief Justice needs to preside, which he isn't.


Bottom-line - this is all kabuki theater designed to fund-raise for the Dems' midterms.

Armistead 02-13-21 03:14 PM
Is rather amazing a culture of "WAP" and "itches & 0's" , a 98 billion a year porn industry that everyone became offended by private locker room talk when it was clear what he meant.

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Originally Posted by 3catcircus (Post 2729574)
Are you referring his well-known love of pursuit of women? Doesn't make him sexist, but yeah, not keeping it in your pants is a character flaw.

Are you referring to his "grab 'em by the..." tape?

When you look at the entire tape, it's clear he was illustrating the difference in reaction from certain kinds of women who gravitate towards a career in entertainment to such a forward move by some random regular guy and if it comes from the rich and famous who have the ability to improve the financial and social standing if they let them.

Unfortunately when the MSM and political opponents take the video and edit it down to just "...and I grab them by the..." without the context of the words trying to illustrate the double standard in entertainment, that's the only thing most people ever see and hear and naturally assume that's what he said and he's a sexist pig.

I don't think anyone thinks he's squeaky clean - decades in real estate in NYC pretty much guarantees that he's done some less than aboveboard things, but I think that what most everyone is most upset about him is that he wasn't able to be bought off or silenced by political enemies or by so-called allies - that he didn't fit the typical mold of a politician or public figure where they think they've got some dirt that ends his run and instead of a grovelling apology, he just ignored it or worse (for them), he returned fire (and it was usually an on-target, fire-for-effect response).

Rockstar 02-13-21 04:36 PM
So, looks another government boondoggle dog and pony show has come to an end. Go team

mapuc 02-13-21 05:19 PM
I don't know how an American prosecutor think or work in your national laws.

Here in Denmark or Sweden a prosecutor would not take a case to the court if s/he knows there none to very little chance for a verdict against the accused.

Since the Dem chose to impeach former President, I presume they had a strong case against him.

Either it wasn't strong enough or it was a case of back clapper among most of the Rep family.

Markus

3catcircus 02-13-21 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2729858)
So, looks another government boondoggle dog and pony show has come to an end. Go team
And this'll continue this way until average people start the equivalent of backhanding their representatives across the mouth until they start doing what they're supposed to.

Every GOPer who voted to impeach or convict is done politically. They'll all be primaried.

Wait and see if the midterms don't result in a record number of independents being elected and a record number of MAGA-Republicans

3catcircus 02-13-21 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2729867)
I don't know how an American prosecutor think or work in your national laws.

Here in Denmark or Sweden a prosecutor would not take a case to the court if s/he knows there none to very little chance for a verdict against the accused.

Since the Dem chose to impeach former President, I presume they had a strong case against him.

Either it wasn't strong enough or it was a case of back clapper among most of the Rep family.

Markus
There was never anything there - if this were an actual court of law, the prosecutor would've been thrown out. This was nothing but kabuki theater.

Skybird 02-13-21 05:34 PM
Not unexpected, still another nail in the coffin of the former Grand Old Party which has almost completed its tranformation into the Great Orange Party.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...-soul-n1257879

Quote:
Key takeaways: With acquittal, Trump wins battle for the Republican soul

WASHINGTON — The Republican civil war ended on Feb. 13, 2021. Donald Trump won.
The decision by most GOP senators to acquit Trump in the 57-43 vote on charges of incitement of insurrection on the Capitol demonstrates that there is little appetite in the party to denounce the former president or his brand of politics.
Fear, and shamelessness. The landmark features of the GOP. With former Republicans beign a small majority in the GOP only, they should break away and found a third party. The damage is FUBAR - and it will continue to mount. It will not give them the win in coming elections, but it will prevent victory to the orange legion, taking too many votes away from it, likely. That at least is a cause to follow that shows integrity.

For those Republicans who still have an echo of a memory what "integrity" means. Many it will not be.

Catfish 02-13-21 05:43 PM
I just had to watch this again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRBsJNdK1t0

"Every four years we gather on these steps, to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power ... "


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