Messy system is right. There is no standard from state to state. Then the dems to say you do not need an ID to vote is certainly leaning things to their favor. Further, some people started to cry that it is very hard to get an ID. Well, if you have your birth cert and other ID(school/library card/tax returns) one can get an ID.

The voter fraud goes deeper that just illegals. There was ballot fixing found in PA. Double voting. Dead people voting.

You are correct, finding these millions of illegal votes is not going to happen. At the very least maybe a standardized system of voting will come of it.

:yeah:

I remember first playing that around a friends and within five minutes I was "I'm going to have to get this game." So fantastic, and the soundtrack. Beautiful.

Medal of Honor was great, but based on alternative facts, Call of Duty has always been better. So much better. It's so great.

This is one of the problems with voters registration, but not all states are the same, just about all of the states use voters registeration for jury selection too:http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...achel-landsman

@AVGWarhawk

I agree.

Perhaps the investigation shows so too. We shall wait for the results.
Yes, I have heard of this. You need to get your IDs in order.

I only care about the 3 - 5 million illegals that made Trump lose the popular votem, as he says.

I do hope you get something out of this investigation. Standarized voting system would be the best outcome.

If the voting systems are separate for each state, what precludes you picking up voters from one state and them moving them to vote to another and as such make them vote twice?

That does happen, especially between states like New York & Florida where people own a house in each state and split time between them. And most states only require you to show residency to register ie: utility bill with an address, along with an ID.

Is that viewed as an issue in the US?

Because if something like this does happen in Russia, in addition to the control by the state and the public (which may be imperfect in our society), we get all those US funded political activists who would flock to such election violation cases (including the ones they make up to justify their existance but that is another matter entirely).

since I stalled on PS2,, when Castaway sent me IL-2 1946 years back I was quite fund of the Metal of Honor Series,, Call of Duty was pretty good ,, but I seemed to like Band of Brothers over all..By the way seen Castaway of late ???

Castaway or Castout? The latter was part of our community, but he left.

Other than that being against the law?

We do need some sort of interstate database to keep track of people who have two or more legal residences and to ensure that for each election only one residence is used for voter registration.

We tend to resist any type of national ID database, but as more and more citizens are more and more mobile and the concept of one main residence may not apply, there needs to be some method of keeping track.

And as a precinct chief, I feel strongly about the need for photo ID in order to vote as along as the state makes it easy and affordable for all the citizens. Virginia, I feel, does it nicely.

Maybe we can adopt a system of inking voter's fingers when they vote. It could be a "badge of honor" signifying that the citizen voted.

A low tech solution to the problem. I would not mind going to work with an inked finger indicating that I voted.

It's was Castout,, I'm sorry I have such an awful time with names,, along with spelling,..

The point I was trying to make was the opposition to voter IDs is not just only from one political viewpoint or another. When the issue was being thrashed out on those radio talk shows way back then, the voter ID was seen by some on the Far-Right as a sort of "gateway" to the establishment of a universal, national ID system and, to then, that was anathema. I, myself, have no problem with reasonably enacted voter ID laws...

This little gem popped up yesterday; it seems it isn't just those evil illegals who are filling out the ranks of dubious voters:

Tiffany Trump, Steve Bannon, Steven Mnuchin Registered to Vote in Multiple States

http://www.usnews.com/news/national-...ultiple-states

This story points out that it is not illegal to be registered in multiple states, but voting in more than one state in the same election is illegal. There are, in all the argumenst about possible extensive voter fraud in the last Presidential election, a few salient points:


- virtually all of the stats and cites on both sides of the argument deal with past elections and not the current one in question

- using past as present is akin to using the season before last season's stats to prove why your team should have won the championship; it's not what was done in the season before last season that is important, it is what was done in the most current season

- what is important is not the raw number of dead, or no longer residents, or any other aberrations found on the voting rolls, it is the actual number of those aberrations that resulted in the casting of an actual vote; you could have a million dead people on a state voter roll, but, unless an actual vote is cast in one of those names, there is no voter fraud

- voter fraud only exists if an actual illegal vote is cast and, as of now there is no way of knowing the actual extent of the problem without an actual, independent, investigation, so let's have one; I somehow think neither side is going to be fully pleased with the results

Is there voter fraud? Of course there is voter fraud, just like there is jaywalking or cheating on taxes! The real issue is not question of the existence of voter fraud, it is how much and how can it be mitigated, since I don't think it will ever be fully eradicated. If you really wanted to sway an election, the best, cheapest, and easiest way is tinkering with the votes after they are cast, not before. If you have control over the count, it really doesn't matter how many illegal votes are cast...



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Low tech is often the best tech, but what will we do about all those voter wannabees who would just ink their own fingers?...



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