I remember getting in an argument with some idiot truther (yeah, I know, adding "idiot" is redundant, but it's sorta like "dirty hippie" you can't say one without the other). He claimed that W did it to invade Iraq, etc. I asked why, with his thousands of conspirators (a bare minimum to place charges, lol) he didn't have them plant IRAQI passports... he of course changed the subject. I then asked why after invading Iraq, an administration willing to murder thousands so as to not implicate the country they wanted to invade (huh? what?) didn't send ONE guy into iraq with weaponized bio-weapons, and some disks/files forged as Iraqi WMD proof. Again, Occam's razor... and a change of subject.

Bad guys willing to conspire to murder innocents, then unwilling to... forge papers to implicate others they want to implicate, or defuse all qualms about the war (plant WMD, Profit!).

That won't convince them, because, as I said, they are idiots and/or mentally ill.

I'm going to get personal here and quote the sig:
If that's true, then why isn't Dubya still in charge? Less-than-perfect? Sure. Misguided? Possibly. Not-too-bright? It's been argued. But a dictator? If that were true he'd still be running things, and he's not, so calling him a dictator is a blatant lie, and I don't think it should be allowed here. Just my opinion, of course.

You take that back! :stare: I'll have you know I've been a very clean hippie for decades, maybe since before you were born! :O: :D

Ah yes, Occam's razor is one heck of a weapon against conspiracies. I was also kind of hinting at that, and honestly no theory I've seen even remotely passes that test. Terrorists flying planes flying into buildings that later fall, on the other hand, does pass plausibly.

Also I find it amusing how most of the "anti-conspiracists" here are self-confessed liberals or libertarians, far from flag-waving Bush and/or government lovers :D

I'd like to know who invents and perpetuates these conspiracy theories.
Are they all just the product of some pathetic loonies living in their moms basement, or could at least some of them be a form of covert warfare designed to vilify a nations reputation?

From my dealings with Apollo hoax believers, I suspect it is people who are suffering from a combination of paranoia and, perhaps more importantly, feelings of inadequacy. They create a delusional fantasy in which they are the heroes. Their ability to decipher the subtle clues and uncover the hoax or conspiracy is seen as a demonstration of their intellectual superiority. They revel in the thought that they're in on some exclusive knowledge the rest of us don't get. To the conspiracy theorists the more complex, convoluted or even outright ridiculous the theory, the smarter they feel for having figured it all out. To the rest of us the theory just doesn't make any sense.

Basically like you said. Pathetic. :D

Well, I think some of them do come out of legitimate academic concerns, and I think at any point it's fair to ask a question. That's how you get to the bottom of things - you exhaust all possible questions and possibilities. The real problem is that it gets picked up by people who have very little interest in respecting any sort of reasonable inquiry or debate, and all they want to do instead is wave a banner. Banners are a great way to attract attention, whether or not the rhetoric behind them actually adds up to anything.

For money from DVDs/books/lectures or just plain old paranoia. That's the only thing I can come up with looking at how they "sell" their side of the story (everything taken out of context, lies and the best of all: fighter intercept time estimation from a friggin' ATC simulator manual :haha:).

Funny stuff:

9/11 Truthers: Meet the Creators of 'Loose Change'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8

...Meet the 'Scholars for 9/11 Truth'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6fe9YlHQwA

...Meet Alex Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ikRc4ER2xY

Isn't that the same fruitcake both Aramike and Maddog linked to earlier in this topic?
Isn't it sad that some people got all ranting and raving about some mosque two blocks away yet post links to some bloody idiot who stands right at ground zero spouting bull about worldwide jewish conspiracies and secret american government plans to commit mass murder

^ Yeah, I believe someone linked to him earlier.

I could name at least one subscriber to this thread but it would be deemed as a personal attack :DL:03:

Okay, I will come clean; it was me. I only do it because my tin foil hat gives me special powers.

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...tardpowers.jpg



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WOW!!:o Is that really Takeda!!:dead:

:har::har::har:

And now you know.