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With the top US diplomat Antony Blinken in Israel for talks, dozens of people are reported killed in Gaza.

The Hamas-run health ministry says 57 deaths were reported in one central Gaza hospital alone.

Deaths were also reported in the north of the Strip - Israel says it targeted Hamas sites across Gaza from air and sea in the past 24 hours.

In Khan Younis in the south, Israel says it "eliminated 40 terrorists", and found Hamas tunnels and weapons.

After meeting Israeli President Isaac Herzog, Blinken's team says he "emphasised the need to take all feasible precautions to minimise harm to civilians"

Israel launched its offensive in Gaza after a cross-border assault by Hamas more than three months ago, which saw 1,300 people killed in Israel.

Since 7 October, more than 23,000 people - mostly women and children - have been killed in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry there.

Look at all those long, deep, wide tunnels! And all that concrete build into them! All that European concrete, paid for with financial aid given by the EU, orders placed via Palestinian civilian proxies! Wasn't there some years ago such a big row over the blockade of Gaza and Israel not wanting any concrete going in anymore that this, beside other reasons, led to serious diplomatic rows between Europe and Israel, and almost a confrontation with Turkey...? :03:

Look at all that concrete down there. Where did all that concrete come from, I really wonder...

Lets better dont even start talking about Diesel fuel for generators, ventilators, air exchange machines, and where that Diesel was coming from... :hmmm:

Lesson of the story: the Israelis were right all the time with their scepticism and concerns. Which, not surprisingly, does not change that the EU already started to once again know things better than Israel...

Europe and America should stop supplying Gaza and the Westjordan Palestinian territory. Let the Arabs pay for it. If you watch at their big miracle architecture cities they built in such a short time along the Gulf region, then you know the costs are for them like throwing some peanuts away. Why the heck is the West paying the Palestinians all these years...???

UN court hears South Africa genocide case against Israel

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The UN's International Court of Justice is hearing a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

The submission also calls on the court to order Israel to stop military operations there.

The ICJ will deliver only an opinion on the genocide allegation as the case is not a criminal trial, although it is being closely watched.

Israel has vehemently rejected the accusation as "baseless".

There were angry scenes outside the ICJ's Peace Palace on Thursday as Dutch police struggled to keep groups of Palestinian and Israeli supporters apart.

Hundreds of people waving Palestinian flags gathered outside the ICJ, calling for a ceasefire. Israeli supporters set up a screen showing images of some of the hostages still being held in Gaza.

Pro-Palestinian protests also took place in Cape Town, South Africa.

South Africa will present its case on Thursday and Israel its defence on Friday.

In its submission, South Africa says Israel's actions "are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group".

It says Israel's actions include "killing Palestinians in Gaza, causing them serious bodily and mental harm, and inflicting on them conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction".

It calls for "provisional measures" to be implemented by the court as a matter of urgency, including that Israel cease all military activities in Gaza.

Israel has defended its actions in Gaza, saying it is responding to Hamas's deadly attacks on 7 October, but speaking in court on Thursday, South Africa's Justice Minister Ronald Lamola said no attack "can provide justification for or defend breaches of the [Genocide] Convention".

Israel is a signatory to the Genocide Convention of 1948, which defines genocide and commits states to prevent it.

The ICJ is the UN's top court, based in the Hague in the Netherlands. Its rulings are theoretically legally binding on parties to the ICJ - which include Israel and South Africa - but are not enforceable.

In 2022, the court ordered Russia to "immediately suspend military operations" in Ukraine, an order that was ignored.

Under international law, genocide is defined as committing one or more acts with the intention to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.

Red and white police tape has been placed outside the Peace Palace - as the ICJ building is called - in an attempt to bring some semblance of order to the chaotic scenes outside.

It is in contrast to the formality inside the court, where the Israeli delegation is listening to South Africa's lawyers accuse the country's forces of committing genocide in Gaza.

Israel denies this, and on Friday will have a chance to respond. Its delegation is expected to highlight its right to self-defence under international law - this week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel has no intention of permanently displacing the people of Gaza, or occupying the territory.

Unlike the International Criminal Court (ICC), the ICJ cannot prosecute individuals for crimes such as genocide, but its opinions carry weight with the UN and other international institutions.

On Wednesday, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said: "Our opposition to the ongoing slaughter of the people of Gaza has driven us as a country to approach the ICJ."

Israeli President Isaac Herzog called the accusations "atrocious and preposterous".

"We will be in the International Court of Justice and we will present proudly our case of using self-defence… under humanitarian law," he said.

He added that the Israeli army was "doing its utmost under extremely complicated circumstances on the ground to make sure that there will be no unintended consequences and no civilian casualties".

Caroline Glick, a former adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said the case was "an affront to the basic concept of morality and reasonableness".

Zane Dangor, director general of South Africa's department of international relations and cooperation, told BBC's Africa Daily programme that the allegation of genocide against Israel is a "strong allegation" but that it "is not one that is unfounded". He described South Africa's case as "very meticulous".

While condemning the Hamas attacks of 7 October, he said nothing "could justify the level of killings" that is taking place in Gaza.

The ICJ could rule quickly on South Africa's request for Israel to suspend its military campaign - but a final ruling on whether Israel is committing genocide could take years.

South Africa has been highly critical of Israel's military operation in Gaza, and its governing African National Congress has a long history of solidarity with the Palestinian cause.

It sees parallels with its struggle against apartheid - a policy of racial segregation and discrimination enforced by the white-minority government in South Africa against the country's black majority, until the first democratic elections, in 1994.

In Gaza, more than 23,350 people - mostly women and children - have been killed, according to the Hamas-run health ministry, since the war began in the aftermath of Hamas's 7 October attacks on southern Israel. In those attacks some 1,300 people were killed - mainly civilians - and about 240 others taken hostage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67942983

If a Palestinian Arab gets the flu, then South Africa feels ill.

Do they plan to file a case against Syria? Russia? China? North Korea? Iran? Yemen?

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2898817)

Do they plan to file a case against Syria? Russia? China? North Korea? Iran? Yemen?

A very good question.

https://www.nzz.ch/international/isr..._x_tr_pto=wapp

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It is astonishing how well developed Hamas' infrastructure is in the Gaza Strip and how many weapons the terrorists have stockpiled, says Kobi Michael. The Israeli military analyst works for the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) and the Misgav Institute for Zionist Strategy. "Hamas has prepared for a long war."

At the request of the NZZ, the Israeli armed forces say that they have discovered over 30,000 weapons and 1,500 tunnel entrances and routes to date. According to the IDF, 700 rocket launchers have already been destroyed. The figures cannot be independently verified. Before the war, experts assumed that Hamas had over 15,000 rockets. Obviously, not all of them have been found yet: As recently as Monday, the Iron Dome missile defense shield in the south of Tel Aviv repelled projectiles.

According to military expert Michael, what is particularly surprising is the extent to which Hamas was able to produce weapons itself. "We found other places where they produced sniper rifles and rocket launchers." The quantity and quality of the weapons in Hamas' possession dwarf the arsenal of some regular armies in the Middle East, says the military analyst.

The recently discovered rocket factory in the central Gaza Strip was mostly underground, partly under civilian homes. Back in November, the IDF discovered a tunnel entrance in a mosque that led to a rocket workshop.

Underestimate your enemy, and be surprised.

After 100 days Hamas still not destroyed and the support of Bibi and his government has reached it low point Bibi only prolongs and want to start another war with Lebanon to save his ass he is a goner moment this conflict in Gaza is stopped.