I was looking at the system requirement for this game and you will need a permanent HIGH SPEED internet connection,so if you are on dial up u are SOL, here is the link http://shop.ubi.com/Prod_ExtDesc.asp?catalogid=994 :down: Ubi u suck

Meo,

If I sound emotional about this, like many here, I was really looking forward to this new release. But in one week, this whole DRM thing turned me from a historically loyal UBI supporter into an angry and bitter a**hole.

(Well, maybe I was a little bit of an a**hole before that, but at least I wasn't angry and bitter. :))

Setting all speculation about the World Domination theories and "darker intentions" aside, I do believe that UBI's fear of piracy is largely to blame for this. Although its unknown to what degree that actually has resulted in true loss of sales, I for one would pay $100 for the game if it was good and didn't have this DRM crap. If twice the previous price is the price to pay for UBI's suspected loss to pirates, then fine with me. I'd groan, but pay it. But this draconian DRM business has me on the out.

You know, exactly. It's a damn shame that instead of trying to stop piracy, or at least lay the blame for the need of copy protection on pirates, so many people rally against the game company. :shifty:

Thanks, I think... :03:

Seriously, we know this is going to be a problem for some people, just like it was when SH3 came out on a DVD and so many cried "I ain't got no DVD playerrrr!!??!!"

Between me and you, I would prefer the game comes with Steam only, or at the most, online to activate and then it looks for an online connection to verify. I also wish I did not need to password protect my online bank account, but if I don't some scumbag will steal my $$.

Fixed.

Not sure (because I have not seen the game yet) but you may be able to play with less than high speed...

Will customers need to upgrade their Internet connection to broadband speed?
No. We've made sure that the game is playable even with the lowest (A)DSL connections.

So whats the solution regarding SH5 then ?

True, but there has to be a better way than forcing constant internet connection for a 1 player game.

Periodic online verification? OK, can understand that.

No off-line play mode between repeat verifications?
Really, really stupid and insufferably intrusive (what a lovely piece of alliteration :D).

Cheers

p.s. pirates are thieves, pure and simple. One big problem is that nobody EVER reports people they know to be pirates. There's an odd moral code that says "when a friend breaks the law they don't really break the law". It's not a code to which I subscribe, but this sort of 'tribal thinking' is a significant root cause of many injustices i.e. it is inherently in conflict with the concept of a rule of law in which all are equal.

Phew. Off the soap box now....

Yeah, I agree, this would probably be the best solution.

I would be curious to know their response on this. :hmmm:

True, the pirates may have created the situation. But UBI chose to go overboard in their solution.

True, but your bank doesn't require you to come in during office hours every time you need to make a withdrawl and do a live biometric scan. You do have the convenience of using your ATM card and pin.

It's all an issue of balance. There are many ways to address the piracy issue without getting draconian with your customers. (Steam, raise prices to compensate for loss, incentivize legitimate purchase, etc.)


This is the part that vexes me. To my knowledge, Steam works. Having the game phone home once in a blue moon to verify legitimacy, I have no problem with that. I think most of us here would be okay with that. It's the constant connection business that is the deal breaker for a lot of us. Even folks with the crappiest Internet can play Steam games.

The pirates may have provoked all this, but UBI made the conscious choice to shut us out when there were many other less exclusive options out there.

Neal, frame it up however you like, but at the end of the day, the choice to make constant connection a requirement falls squarely on UBI. They went way too far.

Don't use a bomb to put out a fire in your living room.

No real solution, mate. It stinks but it's just becoming a fact of life. I will repeat my opinion, that if this or any copy protection does not shut out 100% of piracy, they should scrap it immediately. But if it does manage to work, then I can live with it knowing that everyone playing SH5 or any game has paid for it just like me.



I know, periodic online verification would be a better compromise, I agree. I suppose the pirates can get around it too easily if it is periodic online verification :wah:

And yeah, I know a lot of pirates. No, not the pure evil kind who spend time and energy developing the cracks, but regular good people who cannot afford or would rather not spend the $ to buy, and rationalize it with homilies like "if I like the game, I always buy it". Right, whatever. In all honesty, probably every one of us has played a game or two (or 200) without buying it, so I am not throwing stones. But I can sure see why Ubisoft and other game companies want to stop that. And I can live with that. It is their property until the person forks over the $$ to play. Until then, no pay, no play.

Someone told me, "yes, but if the pirates cannot crack it, they still won't buy it." Well, if the pirates cannot crack it, then all games will adopt the copy protection and then the pirates won't play anything without paying for it. If thieves try to break into my house in order to steal my stuff, and I put on some locks that keep them out, you are correct, they won't knock on my door and ask to buy my stuff. But they sure won't be stealing my stuff, that's all I care about. :arrgh!: (There, Letum, is an analogy).

I haven't. Hand on heart, I swear to... whatever you like... God if you want... that I've bought every single game I've played, no exceptions.

So... can I throw stones now? :D

Yeah? If the bank thieves are able to easily crack people's pin codes and steal their money--yes, you would have to come in every time you need to make a withdrawl and do a live biometric scan. And you would be glad to do it! :D




Either Ubi wants to run their own Steam system (not sure that's smart), or they have heard that Steam games are cracked on Day 1 (everyone claims this).

sabre, I say it falls on pirates, but we can disagree here, and I am not going to try and talk you out of your position. :salute:

Lol, yeah, but the problem is, who to throw them at? :D That's one reason why the rules here ask that we don't discuss pirated games, so no one feels pressured to come forward and get stoned...

Slow children

:woot:

Well articulated, Steeltrap...almost prosaic. :|\\

You sure you don't want to rephrase that?

(I can hear it now: "I didn't inhale")

:D