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PeriscopeDepth 10-13-09 02:12 PM

I think you mean Senate Finance Committee. :)

PD

SteamWake 10-13-09 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth (Post 1188701)
I think you mean Senate Finance Committee. :)

PD

It was... was just comming back to fix it but too slow. :oops:

I'll try to get a mod to fix it.

Stealth Hunter 10-13-09 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188357)
I don't think in itself science is a bad thing, although it does change on a regular basis. Which is why one must be ever so carefull when using it as a basis for changing human/cultural/civil life. There are just too many things science doesn't know or can tell us.

So what's your alternative?:hmmm:

AngusJS 10-14-09 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188340)
This is the outcome of government in healthcare. Bureaucrats make the rules and you, the individual are ....firetrucked. Why does anyone think an 'administrator' hundreds of miles away knows what is best for you or your family?

You do you realize that Rocky Mountain Health Plans is, while non-profit, an independent health care provider? And that according to them, they denied the baby because that's standard in the industry? And the only reason the couple chose Rocky Mountain is because their previous company jacked their rates up 40% because the 4 month old was obese?

And this is one of the goals of health care reform - ending denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

August 10-14-09 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS (Post 1189057)
And this is one of the goals of health care reform - ending denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

I'd think that's as simple as instituting a state insurance regulation.

SteamWake 11-19-09 09:51 AM

Senate set to vote on Health Care Bill..
 
This saturday :o

God help us all.

ETR3(SS) 11-19-09 11:44 AM

Hmm a weekend vote again huh? I think this is the most time either side of Congress has worked on the weekend.

SteamWake 11-19-09 11:47 AM

Yea like last time at midnight on a weekend when you know who isnt on the air :03:

God help us if they ram this thing through. It is wholly unsustainable.

I dont want to be a socialist :oops:

AVGWarhawk 11-19-09 12:54 PM

I think Lieberman will not be around this weekend to vote no. He is against the abortion part of the bill that basically says if you participate in this government run program you will pay a minimum of $1.00/month to fund abortions. At least this is how this portion of the bill was conveyed. Lieberman has voiced his disagreement with the abortion issue.

Onkel Neal 11-19-09 04:25 PM

Someone explain the health care bill to me, please. Specifically, you guys who are ardent supporters of it. How does it work? If I stop paying my corporate policy, am I covered by the govt? How much does it cost me? How is this funded?

Do you know?

AVGWarhawk 11-19-09 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1206013)
Someone explain the health care bill to me, please. Specifically, you guys who are ardent supporters of it. How does it work? If I stop paying my corporate policy, am I covered by the govt? How much does it cost me?

No one knows for sure including Capital Hill! It is a 2097 page bill. Who the hell has really read the damn thing?

From what I read, it is a plan were all pay in even if you are covered elsewhere. Your money will cover abortions. You will have coverage like the folks on medicare have. It will be about $30.00 per week out of your pay. So that nice little $7.00 extra I got each week from Obama at the beginning of his term as a 'tax cut' is now a payment of $30.00/week. Fantastic! Of course this is all conjecture and trials/tribulations because it will not become effective for another two years or so. Therefore, the bill can be changed to whatever Pelosi feels I need. In the meantime the insurance industry will be swallowed up and dissolved. Big old meanies anyway they are. Instead of fixing them and the system we will just drum them out of business with a government program all under the guise of do gooders on Capital Hill. All is fair in love and war. :03:

Oh, BTW, the tranparent government is as tranparent about this bill as a brick wall is. Pelosi lied once again and did not post the bill on the internet. Tell me there is things in that bill that would not make your stomach sink.....

AVGWarhawk 11-19-09 04:58 PM

OK, I found the posting of bill here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...h-care-reform/

Reading over page 118 the abortion looks to be NOT covered under this plan. I need to read it again because of the usual legalese. :shifty:

SteamWake 11-19-09 05:01 PM

Maybe this will help

http://republicanleader.house.gov/blog/?p=690

AngusJS 11-19-09 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1205850)
Yea like last time at midnight on a weekend when you know who isnt on the air :03:

God help us if they ram this thing through. It is wholly unsustainable.

I dont want to be a socialist :oops:

Let's see here, pretty much every 1st world country besides the US has universal health care. And that's right, they're all socialists. The Aussies? Socialists. Taiwanese? Maoists to a letter. All those Swiss bankers? Commies every one.

:damn:

Seriously, stop listening to Rush for a week and see what happens.

Sea Demon 11-19-09 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS (Post 1206038)
Let's see here, pretty much every 1st world country besides the US has universal health care. And that's right, they're all socialists. The Aussies? Socialists. Taiwanese? Maoists to a letter. All those Swiss bankers? Commies every one. .

Well, guess what. You aren't getting socialist universal healthcare. That's a complete lost cause. That aspect of health reform is dead in the water.

And since you can't get it with the majority of Democrats now in the House and the Senate, plus a President initially in favor of it, the future for it is highly unlikely. Some reform is coming your way, but it's not going to be what you want. It seems to actually be a crap sandwich so far. I have a feeling this is going to be an issue that many voters like you will come to think that it would have been better left alone. And true independent voters will come to hate Democrats for it. Especially if this bill amounts to over 1 Trillion with no noticeable improvements in care, or problems created (which is likely). I'd start sweating if I were you. And your party has nobody to blame but themselves.


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