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Originally Posted by mapuc
(Post 2598480)
I still say it should have been the other way around.
First the country leave the EU, thereafter they can discuss further agreement and other things.
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That ignore sone thing, and that is that past decisions and investements and costs were shared and co-authorised by British governments. In parts these need to be "decluttered" again. In oarts the negotiatiosn about the soc-alled divorce bill, the amount of money Londown shoudl pay to thge Eu in case of a with-deal Brexit, was about that. Whether the numbers given by both sides were justfiied or not, is another thing - that also had to be talked about.
The problem of the possibility of a Backstop called by the EU
and then maintained forever during which the UK must obey the custom union'S rules, has no say on these things, must obey certani EU regulations and laws and , most importantly, is not allowed to negotiate new economic deals with non-EU actors, touches upon what you say. And you see what mess comes from it. The EU making promises of non-binding, legally irrelevant meaning that it mans it well and will not hurt the UK :) and will be constructive on an ending of a Backstop period, means nothing since only what can be sued for at court and legally enforced, is of relevance. The EU managed to get this trump card, and May was retarded enough to sign and accept it. Now that it holds this trunmp card, the EU will not voluntarily give it up again. And why should it? The EU has the UK by its balls, and has its iron fists around the UK's throat as well. Better the negotiation game could not have gone for the EU, it scored on all really important issues and scored total defeat of he UK over the Backstop rule when May signed it.
There is no "compromise" possible. The EU cannot afford to allow London the final word on when a triggered Backstop period shall end, and the EU cannot accept a fixed timeframe for any triggered Backstop as well, because then London would have per se the option to just sit it out, and after that walk away happily. London however cannot accept that the EU can hold a knife at the UK's throat
forever and keep it in Backstop custody forever, blocking its sovereignty and constantly threatening its most vital survival interests of making new trade deals outside a customs union. Both poositions are totally, absolutely irreconcilable. One side will loose all over this, and the other side will win all over this. There is no "compromise" imaginable, one side will end up holding the final, ultimate trump, the other side will lose its cause.
I realised late the importance of the Irish question, since I were not so familiar with the general matter of Northern Ireland two years ago. But when it finally dawned on me, I immediately understood that this issue had all potential to make any negotiations unneeded and why a hard Brexit should have been the only option taken serious by London. Instead, one has choosen to endlessly deny reality. And so here we are where we are now. And it seems the reality denial continues.
If Brexit should have any meaning of the original idea, Londown cannot and never should accepot the Backstop rule being in hands of the EU. Either you are about your sovereignty, or you are not.
And one thign also should be understood. The past going of procedures has made the UK many enemie in the EU. It will not be forgotten, and not easiyl forgiven even if London cancels Brexit alltogether. The Britons will remain to be the running joke inside the EU for many years to come. If they cancel brexit now, they tell somehtign about themselves by that, sicne they already have pushed this far. And what it says about them then is really nothing I would consider to be a compliment of respectability. They have oushed too far, now they have to finish the journey, no matter the outcome. That they have wasted most of the past 24 months with dreaming only, certainly does not help to provide them with a soft ride. They were in for a rough ride form beginning on - but they did their best to make it even much rougher than originally was needed. This infantile daydreaming is what stunned me more in all this than anything else. And they still do not stop! Thats not the Britain that I expected two years ago. Not even a shadow of it. I certainly lost quite some illusions myself, too - and I thought that I do not have many political illusions left.
