@Reece i have heard so often that the Euro and the EU will fail and the sky falling down, in the last years.. didn't happen. Maybe it will. In the moment it looks as if it will not.


Scottish view of brexit as a "sinking ship":

"Marieke is mostly angry about how Brexit was a waste of money and especially how the vote was based on no real evidence: no-one really knew what they voted for. ‘The Leave party campaigned illegally. They spent way more money on their campaign than they were allowed to and they made up statistics right left and center. They openly blamed both immigrants and Brussels, when all the things they were complaining about were things the UK government was in control of,’ [...]"

http://www.21bis.be/scottish-opinion...-sinking-ship/

Is this true? Who knows the real numbers?


"Dropping on doormats are HMRC summaries of the past tax year, 2016-17, detailing how much we earned and paid in Income Tax and National Insurance.
I recalled the ha’porth of tar advice after reading a family member’s statement.

This grafter was deducted £4,227 of £23,113 earned over 12 months, so I turned over the single sheet to see how his tax was spent.
Lying Brextremists conned a narrow referendum victory by pretending the European Union was stealing a huge wedge of your money and, hey presto, £350million a week would be conjured for the NHS ."

So how much of his £4,227 annual tax and NI went to the EU budget as part of the UK contribution? £30. Yep, 30 quid. In a whole year. A tad less than 58p per week."


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...nking-12010423

I signed up catfish to join the Brexit party. :D

https://www.thebrexitparty.org

The payments to the EU never were the prime argument for me. Although the self-servicing mentality of EUcrats makes me sick and furious.


https://www.ednh.news/eu-payers-and-receivers/


Peanuts. However, add the costs of the Euro esaster and credits and Target-2 system to it, and you immediately lightspeed-jump into dimensions that makes one dizzy. Germany has more than three times the value of its yearly national GDP in the fire.And has zero chance to ever get it back. A few hundred millions in interests gained, cannot gloss over the the enermous deficit. The economic gains that Germany is claimed to have from these "investments" :har:, are a hilariously flawed logic, since they man that we give others the money by which they then buy our products. In other words, we pay ourselves and hand the products over for free, so to speak. Clever - not.


Personally I think the Euro system is an even greater messup like the Warsaw Pact economies were. Its just that the long time consequences from it still have not reached us in full - but they will. Signs are on the wall already, for everybody to read if only he opens his eyes.


In the end, we will pay with massive loss of freedoms, and massive expropriation by desperate politicans and central banks.


Killing the eU means to kill the Euro. Killing the Euro means to kill the EU. Both are incompatible with the idea of a liberal Europe and the meaning of the term "justice". Justice needs causal own responsibility as an inevitable preconditon for "justice" terminology making sense. Socialists hate the very concept of own responsibility, and want to collectivize individual failure and incapability. Or in other words: they want to bring economic competition and compoarison to a full stop. Thats what the EU and the ECB do. The number of de facto incompetitive companies in Europe has tripled over the past couple of years, being artifcally kept alive with subsidies. And the rate at which this is beign done, accelerates.

target 2 has more consequences for Germany than for England/UK. So it is bad for us but not a reason for brexit. The general idea is to even out economically weaker countries to get their economy going, which b.t.w. went very well with Slovenia.
When you are thinking of your country alone it is of course TREACHERY! NAZIS ! THEY WANT OUR WOMEN ! THE SKY WILL FALL !

@Steed thanks for signing me up :D Can i meet the Dear Leader Farage personally then? Close up and personal, soda speak.

When they send you a email ask can you meet him for a Bun fight. :03: :)

Looks like the Establishment is doing a grand job in protecting themselves from the Brexit mess and the rest of us our going too pay for it...Time for a revolution? :hmmm:

"Marieke had no doubts wanting to vote ‘yes’ for Scottish independence."

Says it all for me....another sore loser post independence result.

Two shows I never miss on a Thursday evening are Question Time followed straight after by This Week.

Sadly only Question time will remain after July.

I know all too well. I wanted to remind of that there is much more serious money stuff than just the direct payments to or from the EU to EU members. The EU budget is about arrogance and hybris. The Euro is about destroying a money system and the national economies on a whole continet - and punishing the ordinary people a first, a second, a third time for that capital (I mean major) crime committed by the "elites".


The EU in the end is about simple redistribution of wealth nowadays. See my current sig.

I doubt this will make any difference at all :hmmm:

Dear Conservative MP's

If you choose to stab me in the back I will bring down this party and the country so you better vote for me got that you little thugs, I'm the boss and I will bring the whole country down and put Labour into power.

PM May

AT LAST THEY STOOD UP...

WELL DONE. :yeah:

https://news.sky.com/story/live-labo...itics-11640901

Take that Mad Dog Jezzer!

Well I wish them well because 'Politics' is most definitely broken atm and it wouldn't surprise me if more MP's from other parties start jumping ship.

https://i.imgur.com/tko7drE.jpg

Mad Dog Jezzer and his marxist army will view this as the start of the great purge/push to rid Labour of the centre-left. One thing is for sure he will keep a low profile at PMQ's this week....Maybe.

Only one thing is beginning to look certain and that is Labours inability to become the next government.

And now we have one of our EU so-called partners starting to rattle their sabres over UK territory, namely Gibraltar.

Are they cruising for a bruising or even as weak as the Royal Navy currently is are they prepared to risk another Spanish Armade scenario? :hmmm:

:):03:

I fear the risks are all yours. If Spain plays it serious, they can take Gibraltar, all advantages are on their side, the UK has no trump at all. Britain cannot hold Gibraltar by force (as long as it does not will to use nukes against Spain). And Madrid is strongly marching by imperial tunes again anyway, see their obsession about owning the Catalan people and saying they have a right to own this other people and that other people have no right to not wanting to be owned by them.

Any violence used over Gibraltar would probably rip NATO apart, but who cares anymore anyway?

Well I think we can jointly agree on this portion of your reply :03: