Ivan Rogers:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ed-home-truths


Seems obvious? :hmmm:

1 ... points out that the government seems to be expecting the EU to bend its club rules to accommodate the UK. The EU is not going to do this, because its solidarity is with its partners.

2. ‘Other people have sovereignty too’
The EU will try to maximise its own sovereignty and power where it can, and this will not work to the advantage of the UK.

3. ‘Brexit is a process not an event’
The UK underestimated the EU’s ability to negotiate, and bought into the fantasy of a quick, easy break.

4. ‘It is not possible or democratic to argue that only one Brexit destination is true, legitimate and represents the revealed ‘will of the people’ and that all other potential destinations outside the EU are ‘Brexit in name only’.’

5. ‘If WTO terms or existing EU preferential deals are not good enough for the UK in major third country markets, they can’t be good enough for trade with our largest market.’ There is a contradiction at the heart of the argument made by many of those advocating no deal.

6. ‘The huge problem for the UK with either reversion to WTO terms or with a standard free trade deal with the EU is in services’. The UK services industry will suffer greatly under current plans for leaving the EU, because May has emphasised frictionless trade in goods, despite manufacturing representing a far smaller slice of the economy.

7. ‘Beware all supposed deals bearing ‘pluses’. The ‘pluses’ merely signify that all deficiencies in the named deal will miraculously disappear when we Brits come to negotiate our own version of it.’

8. ‘You cannot, and should not want to, conduct such a huge negotiation as untransparently as the UK has. And in the end, it does you no good to try.’ The EU has been much better than the UK at transparency during these negotiations.

9. ‘Real honesty with the public is the best – the only – policy if we are to get to the other side of Brexit with a healthy democracy, a reasonably unified country and a healthy economy.’


Next: Economic war with Trump. Alone.

"The looming economic slump is of no concern to Brexiteers fighting for the survival of their fantasy project"
Hand it all over to Farage.

The only thing to come out of Bexit is the fact politicians on all sides here and in the EU are the biggest load of Bastards who lust for power and the world stage and to hell with everyone else screw you plebs.


Time for the plebs to rise up and dish this out...:/\\chop

You can make of that any way you like.

Do try to keep up.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=3275

I would have to sniff funny white powder to keep up with you jim! :haha:

I rather stick to the odd beer its better for me and cheaper. :)

Now now...save that for the EU. :DL


Tune in and have a beer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-47201286

The EU? Save it for Farage.

Very good article what happened/s and why. Read it. Please.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/0...or-old-people/

"Instead of smearing themselves with tar and feathers, mainstream politicians should remind populists that they do the hard work of politics: representing constituents, reconciling competing claims and taking an interest in dry corners of legislation that affect people’s lives. Most politics is necessary drudgery. Seen from this angle, the “elite” are the people who get their hands dirty. And populists who damn the whole spectacle from cosy sidelines are the truly decadent ones."

May probably won't win any of the amendments tonight tonight....Anna Soubry could be the one though.

^Out of date, Nigel left UKIP and as formed the Brexit party. :O:

The work of Farage was accomplished when he achieved the referendum. I doubt many folk take him all that seriously these days.

nah it's a problem you feel to have with your government, and the article explains why.
Also, this charlatan just founded a new party.


"Take Back Control’ was one of the most persuasive soundbites ever used in a political campaign. It was seized on by the Bad Boys of Brexit who used it to persuade a majority of UK citizens to make a decision that in reality was so deeply damaging to their future."

^ I believe there is more chance of a general election then the UK leaving the EU as matters currently stand.

Should that be the case then I'd expect the Toties to gain a clear majority by not a large margin but a majority nonetheless.

Here we go again, MP's are now voting on Mad dog Jezzer's amendment.

Labour has....LOST
For 306
Against 322

SNP....LOST
For 93
Against 315

Brexit will not be extended by three months.

Anna Soubry has withdrawn her amendment for now.

MPs are voting on whether to back the government's Brexit strategy.

The Government has....LOST
For 258
Against 303

This was the big one and another blow to MayDay.



https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...rexit-11637081

Amen to that STEED, looks like the UK has lost its independence!! :doh:

^ How so? :hmmm:

She just doesn't know when to give up or come to the realisation that if she hadn't agreed such a seriously bad (for the UK) deal then matters would probably be quickly resolved.

^ What can she give up? Being the PM? I can't see the queue of new aspirants wanting her job.

What exactly is the "bad deal" for the UK? For all i know no one knows what exactly has been negotiated. The backstop?

From what I can see it would take a miracle for Brexit to work, but I suppose miracles happen!:hmmm:

^
^ The backstop is probably the most damaging part but added to that is the fact £39 billion would need to be paid and despite leaving on March 29th the UK would continue to pay further sums until at least the end of December 2020 and still be bound by EU rules which amongst other things would prevent the UK from negotiating trade deals with other countries.

Bound by the rules whilst continuing to pay and having no say or vote on matters.

As has been said previously...a vassal state.

From what I can see the EU is a sinking ship and the only ones keeping it afloat is UK and Germany, maybe I'm wrong there but certainly it is in Britain's best interest to leave! Not an easy task but if Brexit fails now it is unlikely to ever leave the EU, that would be sad!! :oops: